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What's SG?
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I'll say its Singapore, am I correct?:?
cross-breed, WHY?
cross-breed, WHY?
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Any idea how long it's been going on for?
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my god
you guys will beleive anything.
wheres the proof ... links to articles types of species used in this little dr. frankenstein expierment. if this was going on wouldnt the ats and bts be sqwaking about it?
proof please-
looseyfur
btw this belongs with the X-breeding thread .... I havent had my any tea yet this morning and I am just pressing buttons appearently.
sorry
you guys will beleive anything.
wheres the proof ... links to articles types of species used in this little dr. frankenstein expierment. if this was going on wouldnt the ats and bts be sqwaking about it?
proof please-
looseyfur
btw this belongs with the X-breeding thread .... I havent had my any tea yet this morning and I am just pressing buttons appearently.
sorry
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Paul, something to keep in mind, unless something has changed in the past year, tarantulas, along with most other exotics, are 100% illegal in Singapore with very heavy penalties for their possession and sale. It's a black market up and down and expecting responsible behavior from the breeders/smugglers is, well, foolish. It may very well be that some of the hybrids are done out of "necessity" (if you have two Brachypelma of the opposite sex but different species they may represent not only your only possible opportunity to breed tarantulas, but a great financial opportunity as well).
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Re: my god
Tarantulas can by hybridized. Most don't attempt it as it's strongly discouraged. Many fear they will end up on the open market and pollute the bloodline of purebred species.
On the topic, if two "separate" species are bred and produce fertile offspring, they are the same species in actuality, and just a variant or color morph of the same species (IMO).
Take care.
Paul
Hi Loosey,
Tarantulas can by hybridized. Most don't attempt it as it's strongly discouraged. Many fear they will end up on the open market and pollute the bloodline of purebred species.
On the topic, if two "separate" species are bred and produce fertile offspring, they are the same species in actuality, and just a variant or color morph of the same species (IMO).
Take care.
Paul
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I failed to also ask, what species are they crossbreeding? I assumed it would be various Coremiocnemis and such (native tarantulas), but I could very well be wrong.
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I am aware of those facts ....
the facts that are missing is that this is actually happining to a scale the poster suggested and that no one from any of the large established T/hobbiest groups isnt jumping up and down...
ie. I could say there are alot of ppl crossbreeding tarantulas here in Massachuttess its a real problem.
but without any proof how far would that go? Is it easier to swallow cause its some third world country I will reserve my judgement for proven statements/examples of crossbreeding.
of course I as a hobbiest am against crossbreeding but this isnt a big enough deal for there to be posts and conversation about it elsewhere in the community ( not that I have recently read and I havent read everything but...) so wheres the proof its happining? anyone have an x-breed slings? bought any?
the facts that are missing is that this is actually happining to a scale the poster suggested and that no one from any of the large established T/hobbiest groups isnt jumping up and down...
ie. I could say there are alot of ppl crossbreeding tarantulas here in Massachuttess its a real problem.
but without any proof how far would that go? Is it easier to swallow cause its some third world country I will reserve my judgement for proven statements/examples of crossbreeding.
of course I as a hobbiest am against crossbreeding but this isnt a big enough deal for there to be posts and conversation about it elsewhere in the community ( not that I have recently read and I havent read everything but...) so wheres the proof its happining? anyone have an x-breed slings? bought any?
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ummm...the poster suggested that the scale was "some people," "idiotic," etc. to be exact. I don't think he said "many" or "a lot."
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It's been done before, as you know, and by some fairly "well known" people at that. I'm just curious what species are being crossbred, for how long, and what the results have been, if anyone even knows that much specifically.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It's been done before, as you know, and by some fairly "well known" people at that. I'm just curious what species are being crossbred, for how long, and what the results have been, if anyone even knows that much specifically.
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Re: my god
Also, if you read my commentary in the thread you meant to post this to (and to which it will no doubt be merged when one of this forums mods gets a look), you would know that exotic tarantulas are rare commodities in Singapore, which treats them like we do heroin (and they treat that like we do serial murder
). It is very easy to believe that not only would they frequently hybridize Ts within the same genera out of necessity (i.e. impossible to actually get two of the same species at the point you've got a mature male), but that selling the hybrids as pure bred would be commonplace as well because of the higher prices it would fetch. Picture in your mind a T market run the way our drug markets are and you'll get the idea.
Yes, loose, it is clear you haven't had your tea this morning as hybridization, aka crossbreeding, is quite possible within many genera of tarantulas (e.g. Poecilotheria, Brachypelma, & Avicularia). It's not only commonplace in many European countries, but actually an established niche in the pet trade (e.g. B. albopilosum x B. vagans actually has a common name, the albogans).
Also, if you read my commentary in the thread you meant to post this to (and to which it will no doubt be merged when one of this forums mods gets a look), you would know that exotic tarantulas are rare commodities in Singapore, which treats them like we do heroin (and they treat that like we do serial murder
). It is very easy to believe that not only would they frequently hybridize Ts within the same genera out of necessity (i.e. impossible to actually get two of the same species at the point you've got a mature male), but that selling the hybrids as pure bred would be commonplace as well because of the higher prices it would fetch. Picture in your mind a T market run the way our drug markets are and you'll get the idea.
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EARLY
its early and perhaps I flew off the handle a bit but I am basically asking the same things as you are wondering about...
what species, to what effect and to what scale...
excuse me for being snippy and nutz-
looseyfur
its early and perhaps I flew off the handle a bit but I am basically asking the same things as you are wondering about...
what species, to what effect and to what scale...
excuse me for being snippy and nutz-
looseyfur
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Re: EARLY
I'm not really expecting well thought out details here.
Maybe if you directed this question at Rorika, another recent Singapore poster, she (assuming she, my apologies if not) could shed more light on the subject at hand.
Yes, but you're expecting this of a poster who uses tons of netspeak and less punctuation than yourself
I'm not really expecting well thought out details here.Maybe if you directed this question at Rorika, another recent Singapore poster, she (assuming she, my apologies if not) could shed more light on the subject at hand.
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Bokoblur, everyone is curious
Hey Boko,
Everyone is curious if you have any specific information?
See here:
http://arachnopets.com/arachnoboards/showthread.php?s=&postid=121543#post121543
Take care,
Paul
Hey Boko,
Everyone is curious if you have any specific information?
See here:
http://arachnopets.com/arachnoboards/showthread.php?s=&postid=121543#post121543
Take care,
Paul
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One other thought. If it's so illegal there, I don't imagine all that much information would be readily forthcoming?
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Re: Re: EARLY
;P
;POriginally posted by Code Monkey
Yes, but you're expecting this of a poster who uses tons of netspeak and less punctuation than yourself
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huh
what is this "punctuation" of which you speak?
heh-
looseyfur
what is this "punctuation" of which you speak?
heh-
looseyfur