Wait. Aren't all spiders venomous, but mildly.

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Aren't all spiders venomous? They still have mild venom. It's not like you will feed your centipede camel "spiders".
 

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No, not all spiders are venomous. Most spiders (roughly 99%) are venomous - but those in the family Uloboridae and also those in the genus Holarchaea are truly non-venomous. They do not have venom glands at all.

That said, I still wouldn't recommend feeding spiders to your centipede. Wild centipedes may eat spiders (and bats and other centipedes and all sorts of things) but when they're in my care, they can eat feeder crickets and roaches. Safe, non-toxic, cheap, and easy to come by.
 

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Safe, non-toxic, cheap, and easy to come by.
Interesting. All spider venoms are comprised of proteins which the digestive systems of (especially) carnivores targets and rapidly breaks down, rendering toxicity harmless. So ingestion of a venom wouldn't be a significant concern. The most common failure of this natural safety system is with omnivores which combine carbohydrates with proteins where the protein breakdown is inhibited. As example a human eating a hamburger with buns. Intestinal warfare goes off resulting in excessive digestive acids essentially turning the digestive system into a garbage disposal.
 

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Interesting. All spider venoms are comprised of proteins which the digestive systems of (especially) carnivores targets and rapidly breaks down, rendering toxicity harmless. So ingestion of a venom wouldn't be a significant concern. The most common failure of this natural safety system is with omnivores which combine carbohydrates with proteins where the protein breakdown is inhibited. As example a human eating a hamburger with buns. Intestinal warfare goes off resulting in excessive digestive acids essentially turning the digestive system into a garbage disposal.
I wouldn't worry about a centipede ingesting the venom of a spider. I would be more worried about it getting bitten while attempting to sudue the spider - especially if the spider did not get eaten right away and had time to create a web. When it comes to feeding my pets, I'd rather offer them prey that does not have any sort of toxins - including venom.
 

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@chanda Snerk and brain fart. When pedes are mentioned I automatically = our common scolopendra monsters. I heard from several quarters we had a guy die from multiple chomps a while back, an athlete in prime health no less. A very different world from the US. Snakes? Just avoid them. Scorps? Grab by the tail and fling it out of your way. Spiders? No big - ignore. But pedes and especially caterpillars absolutely terrify people.
My wife suffered clinical death from caterpillar pokes on one arm. Went into respiratory arrest just as she was being carried into the ER. She casually handles Ts and other spiders but anything remotely worm like sends her running for the hills, screaming.
 
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In my old house we had centipedes and spiders in the basement, the centipedes seemed to be spider hunting specialists.
 

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I wouldn't risk a spider biting and or killing your centipede. Especially if it's one of the expensive types.
 

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@chanda Snerk and brain fart. When pedes are mentioned I automatically = our common scolopendra monsters. I heard from several quarters we had a guy die from multiple chomps a while back, an athlete in prime health no less. A very different world from the US. Snakes? Just avoid them. Scorps? Grab by the tail and fling it out of your way. Spiders? No big - ignore. But pedes and especially caterpillars absolutely terrify people.
My wife suffered clinical death from caterpillar pokes on one arm. Went into respiratory arrest just as she was being carried into the ER. She casually handles Ts and other spiders but anything remotely worm like sends her running for the hills, screaming.
Mom used to talk about the cobra family under the house when they lived in Bangkok. I wasn't in the picture yet.
 

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I heard from several quarters we had a guy die from multiple chomps a while back, an athlete in prime health no less.
I feel this needs clarifying. While the venom of a scolopendra may be life threatening it seems likely a combination of sudden onset acute toxic and psychogenic shock were contributors to the death. All forms of shock have been the causes of numerous deaths without other contributing factors.
 

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My older brother got bitten by a big-:spam: centipede when he was in Bangkok. It left a mark.
 

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The info is usually not accurate
Doing any research without checking the citations and authorities is begging for taking a broadside amidships to your GPA. I had one professor instructor for a semester who turned out to be 98% full of grade A steer manure. Spent much of another semester unlearning his crap.
Thanks for the sour persimmons Mr. Uhl.
 
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