Venom extraction gadget.

[Cpt.nemO]

Hi ya all, i will cut to the chase. I have read that there is this venom extraction utility for when you are bitten by more venmous Ts or insects in general, i would really like to see a few pics of these utilities, and know how to use it...

Like lets supposed i was bitten buy my adult female lividum... (and people plz doen't come with the - "don't get bitten in the first place" arguement cos i am saying SUPPOSE I were bitten by the adult lividum female, or a maculata or a selenocosmia sp.

First i should try to use the venom extraction tool ? then put the bitten area under hot water to try to extract any extra venom ???? or what ???

Here in my country its ilegal to own aracnids, well invertebrates as a general, so i couldn't go to a hospital unless it was a death case scenario. For instance if i said I was bitten by a lividum at home i would be canned, So i would really like to know how the process of venom extraction should be made in details, cos if someday i need to do it (very doubtful i would say) i will know exactly how to.

Thank you very much for your time and sorry for the long message.

 

[TheDarkFinder]

Since the venom, quickly goes into your blood, a vemon kit is just not going to work. How long does it take you to go from bite to extraction, 15 to 20 seconds. It takes one minute for blood to travel you whole body. The hosptial is not going to help you much either. There is no antivemon to tarantulas vemon.
H lividium is not that bad of a bite unless you have other health factors.
thedarkfinder

 

[Cpt.nemO]

Since the venom, quickly goes into your blood, a vemon kit is just not going to work. How long does it take you to go from bite to extraction, 15 to 20 seconds. It takes one minute for blood to travel you whole body. The hosptial is not going to help you much either. There is no antivemon to tarantulas vemon.
H lividium is not that bad of a bite unless you have other health factors.
thedarkfinder

Man i read in book not sure whether it was the tarantulas keeper's guide or not , but it described the case of a man who collected maculatas at tree tops, he was bitten on the neck, and basdically , if it weren't for the gadget he could have died.

I believe than when you are bit for like 20 secs, the T will inject enough venom to make a temporary bubble of venom under your skin, i don't believe all the venom in this bubble will dispearse in less than 20 secs. I think that atleast some of it might be able to be extracted, am i not right ?? I would really like to see some pics of this venom extraction kit. ..

In a bite report, i think in a lividum case, someone mentions the hot water method to extract at least a minimum amount of venom.. Is that total bullshit ???

Thank you for your time.

 

[Varden]

There have been no recorded fatalities from a tarantula bite that I am aware of. If you read the bite reports listed on this forum, you'll find that most people don't react much at all to many of the spider species' venum. That could be because of their individual immune systems, or because they were 'dry' bitten, or something, but unless you are seriously allergic to insect bites I don't think you need to worry about the venom even if you do get tagged.

That said, there's no reason you can't do everything possible to reduce the effects if you are. I've seen the spider/snake/bee venom extraction kits. I've even got one. I picked mine up at a sporting goods store before going on vacation to Arizona, mostly because I'm seriously allergic to bee stings and wanted to be prepared. All the kit is is a pump that would 'suck' the venom from the bite. The problem is, if I recall correctly, it's not going to be very effective since once once you're bitten, the poison doesn't linger in the area. It enters the blood stream and circulates through the body very, very quickly. I've heard about running the bite under hot water to draw out the poison, but I don't know if that's any more effective for the same reason or if it just gives you something to do to occupy yourself while your waiting to see if you're going to react to the poison.

Going to the hospital is kinda a sticky point. On the one hand, because tarantulas aren't venomous enough to kill a healthy, adult human, if I recall there is no anti-venom made to combat their bites. If it were me, unless my reaction to the bite turned very serious (ie trouble breathing) I wouldn't bother going to the hospital. Just make yourself comfortable at home, take a couple asprins, and document the occasion with pictures and updates on the bite forum so others will know what to expect should they too be bitten by the same species of spider that tagged you.

If you do end up at the hospital, again if it were me, I'd tell them I woke up with the bite. They'll likely assume it was a spider and treat you for anaphylactic shock. Which is probably the only thing they could treat you for anyway.

 

[Cpt.nemO]

If you do end up at the hospital, again if it were me, I'd tell them I woke up with the bite. They'll likely assume it was a spider and treat you for anaphylactic shock. Which is probably the only thing they could treat you for anyway.

Now this is excelent material man, hadn't thought of that.

So man don't you think a guy with maculata in his neck deploying all her venom wouldn't put him in risk of life even being a healthy man ?? LIKE A mega adulta maculata ??? ON THE neck ?? ehueheuheuehueheuehue. I will most definataly find where i read that and post the name of the book and the page it is in, its some really creapy shit.

Well thanks a lot man ! i really appreciated the input.

 

[PhormictopusMan]

Here's the Sawyer Brand. Supposedly if you use it within three minutes it can remove up to 30% of the injected venom. As stated above, I dont think you would need one for a tarantula. I would use it just to see if it worked. I've been carrying this thing around for ten years backpacking in case of snakebites and the most use I've had of it was amusing friends. However, I do require people to carry them when I lead them in the backcountry.

--Chris

 

[Nerri1029]

There have been no recorded fatalities from a tarantula bite that I am aware of. If you read the bite reports listed on this forum, you'll find that most people don't react much at all to many of the spider species' venum. That could be because of their individual immune systems, or because they were 'dry' bitten, or something, but unless you are seriously allergic to insect bites I don't think you need to worry about the venom even if you do get tagged.


If you do end up at the hospital, again if it were me, I'd tell them I woke up with the bite. They'll likely assume it was a spider and treat you for anaphylactic shock. Which is probably the only thing they could treat you for anyway.

A couple things:

1 - the bite report was for Stromatopelma calceatum I believe.

2 - the peptides in T venom are very different than B venom and I don't think any documented cases of a serious allergic rection to venom has been documented.

3 - "treat you for anaphylactic shock" - if you are truly having anaphylactic shock then it will be obvious and not likely from a bite "you woke up with"

plus lying to an ER doc IS NOT going to help you get the right medical care.


Anaphylaxis - is the result of exposure to foreign substances and typically is associated with repeated exposures.
so even if someone was predestined to be allergic to T venom..
like as often is the case with Bee Stings it would/could take several exposures for this reaction to be severe enough to have to seek med attention.

Your question was a good one... and I can't see where applying neg pressure to the bite site would be a bad idea... unless you want the venom to be diluted in your system and thus lose potency??


there have been a few threadds on the allergic reaction issue already

 

[Cpt.nemO]

A couple things:

1 - the bite report was for Stromatopelma calceatum I believe.

2 - the peptides in T venom are very different than B venom and I don't think any documented cases of a serious allergic rection to venom has been documented.

3 - "treat you for anaphylactic shock" - if you are truly having anaphylactic shock then it will be obvious and not likely from a bite "you woke up with"

plus lying to an ER doc IS NOT going to help you get the right medical care.


Anaphylaxis - is the result of exposure to foreign substances and typically is associated with repeated exposures.
so even if someone was predestined to be allergic to T venom..
like as often is the case with Bee Stings it would/could take several exposures for this reaction to be severe enough to have to seek med attention.

Your question was a good one... and I can't see where applying neg pressure to the bite site would be a bad idea... unless you want the venom to be diluted in your system and thus lose potency??


there have been a few threadds on the allergic reaction issue already

So man i ve read a lot on the allergic reactions and all, but nowadays I semi disconsider them cos its like more likely to win the lotto than to be drastically alergic, however I do believe that there was a death caused by a A. Semennai due to an extreme alergic reaction.. Thats the best i remember about this incident, but it could be a vague memory of someone messing in a thread , not sure whether this actually occured or not.

man thank you ver much more the pictures and all, and nerri thanks for the contribuition to !!

Thks very much

 

[Waryur]

We had those venom extractores at the Zoo. We trained on them for snake bite but there was no mention of needing them in case of tarantula bite. My best advice is to keep a cool head, flip on a movie and prepare for teh suck. All that running around, 20 seconds to find the extractor is going to stress you out, raise your blood preasure and create a lot of unnesesary anxiety. As already stated T venom isn't that dangerous, if your worried anyways stick away from some of the "bad" species.

With all that said i believe we dd use the extractor on a Brown Recluse bite once. The lady was a Lion Keeper who got bit...while pregnant. because she was pregnat we couldnt just administer anti-venom so we sucked out what we could and hope it was a dry bite, which it was!

 

[Cpt.nemO]

We had those venom extractores at the Zoo. We trained on them for snake bite but there was no mention of needing them in case of tarantula bite. My best advice is to keep a cool head, flip on a movie and prepare for teh suck. All that running around, 20 seconds to find the extractor is going to stress you out, raise your blood preasure and create a lot of unnesesary anxiety. As already stated T venom isn't that dangerous, if your worried anyways stick away from some of the "bad" species.

With all that said i believe we dd use the extractor on a Brown Recluse bite once. The lady was a Lion Keeper who got bit...while pregnant. because she was pregnat we couldnt just administer anti-venom so we sucked out what we could and hope it was a dry bite, which it was!

So man , the ideia would be to keep the extractor handy to avoid this running around, thus acelarating the flow of blood. There are cases where people have systematic feelings for over 2 weeks, and in rarest cases, over a year. Don't you think that maybe using the extractor not even if it removed like 5 % of the venom, it would already make a good diference wouldn't it ? I know i will probably not have anything very serious if i get bit (even though i don't really think i will) by even the most venomous Ts, i would still always prefer to suffer the less possible ehehehehe. I think i am going to buy an extraction kit and just leave it stored together with the Ts in a handy place for extra percaution. Now i have another question...

Supposed you were tagged, the T is stuck on u , it won't let go ... should i try to remove her manually or should i let her continue injecting the venom ?

 

[TheDarkFinder]

Man i read in book not sure whether it was the tarantulas keeper's guide or not , but it described the case of a man who collected maculatas at tree tops, he was bitten on the neck, and basdically , if it weren't for the gadget he could have died.

I believe than when you are bit for like 20 secs, the T will inject enough venom to make a temporary bubble of venom under your skin, i don't believe all the venom in this bubble will dispearse in less than 20 secs. I think that atleast some of it might be able to be extracted, am i not right ?? I would really like to see some pics of this venom extraction kit. ..

In a bite report, i think in a lividum case, someone mentions the hot water method to extract at least a minimum amount of venom.. Is that total bullshit ???

Thank you for your time.

This is the offical stand of the american heart assocation first aid for bites. If you are bitten the extrator will not do much good. The basic problem is that they have curved teeth. Smaller fangs produce exactable bites but long curved fangs will seal before you can extract. The worst that can happen is that it gets infected.
thedarkfinder

 

[BakuBak]

I believe than when you are bit for like 20 secs, the T will inject enough venom to make a temporary bubble of venom under your skin, i don't believe all the venom in this bubble will dispearse in less than 20 secs. I think that atleast some of it might be able to be extracted, am i not right ??

no , it wont happend , and this thing wont help You

 

[Cpt.nemO]

OK thanks you all