Venom - Dolichothele diamantinensis

Crystal Spider

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Hi Community!

Do you have any information regarding the bite / venom of Dolichothele diamantinensis?

I found only assumptions... "Brazil = probably mild venom".

Best regards

CS
 

KezyGLA

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This species doesnt have urticating hairs. Based on that I would assume that the venom may have a little more spice than the average NW species.

I doubt dry bites are common too. Most likely to get some venom with a bite. Each adult I have kept has had venom visibly dripping from the fangs when in threat posture.
 

Nightstalker47

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This species doesnt have urticating hairs. Based on that I would assume that the venom may have a little more spice than the average NW species.

I doubt dry bites are common too. Most likely to get some venom with a bite. Each adult I have kept has had venom visibly dripping from the fangs when in threat posture.
If they are on par with psalmo level venom, then bites could be pretty serious indeed. Didn't know this species lacked urticating setae.
 

Crone Returns

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Who wants to compare and contrast :troll::hurting:
Those are dripping venom type beasts? I don't know, but I'd be willing to take a chance with them just because they're knock down drag out gorgeous.
But it's up to you. What you're comfortable with.
 

aphono

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This one is asking you to come on and find out... :troll:

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That was the first threat posture it gave. It got upset and "chased" the fresh molt as it was taken out then it threat-displayed. Previously it was pretty mellow, not skittish at all. Still waiting for it to harden off before first post-molt feeding so I don't know yet if it will go back to its usual mellow self or it might be one of those post molt personality changes.
 

Crystal Spider

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Thanks everybody! I think without bite reports we can only speculate. I will get an adult female this month. All the best!
 

Storm76

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It's a dwarf species and NW. While painful, even a Psalmopoeus bite fades within 24hrs usually.

Yes, it's only assumption without valid proof, but chances are you'll get redness, localized pain and maybe some stiffness, joint ache. That species won't put you in agony for days - that's for sure.
 

boina

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It's a dwarf species and NW. While painful, even a Psalmopoeus bite fades within 24hrs usually.

Yes, it's only assumption without valid proof, but chances are you'll get redness, localized pain and maybe some stiffness, joint ache. That species won't put you in agony for days - that's for sure.
Hm, while I can only speculate, too, I know someone who got bit by a Stichoplastoris, another dwarf NW, and said it hurt like hell and she still could feel the effects a week later...
 

Storm76

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Hm, while I can only speculate, too, I know someone who got bit by a Stichoplastoris, another dwarf NW, and said it hurt like hell and she still could feel the effects a week later...
As mentioned, it is of course speculation with no valid proof. But think back - there are people who got bitten by Psalms that reported nausea, headache, vomitting and other systemic symptoms. I think I found maybe 2 or 3 reports of those - literally ALL other reports said localized pain, swelling, redness - gone within 12-24hrs.

Bottom line here is - a bite won't kill you. And THAT, is certain :)
 

Crystal Spider

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Really looking forward. She is four years old and has not been mated. Coming from a renowned breeder. The species is affordable in Germany.

30x30x45cm / 12x12x18in
Exo Terra with stone background
(I have two of these terrariums next to each other. One for my Sphodromantis gastrica and the other for diamantinensis. So both animals have a lot of space.)

Exo Terra Jungle Tree
(Artificial, bendable tree for anchor points.)

Forest earth as substrate.

Very good light/heat system.

I will skip a hide as she webs her own. Instead of trying to keep the water dish free from her web I will skip it and spray the web directly.

I am even thinking about skipping the Jungle Tree anchor points in order to see her free space architecture...?

By the way: nice threat-picture aphono! :alien
 

aphono

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Thanks! That's an excellent set up I think. It's up to you to use the tree- been tempted to get one for something but anyways your new pet is likely to web up everything, no matter if there's any decorations in there or none. Mine filled up the cube pretty well. So much I barely can see the curly twigs in there anymore. She needs to be rehoused after her recent molt.. been thinking about what size to put her into. You probably know this already, but this species does not seem to burrow at all so there's no need to put in deep substrate. I had put in a fair amount for mine but it was just waste taking up space. To me it seems they like the substrate somewhat moist.. were you advised the same?

Here's how mine decorated her(? not sexed yet) cube:

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boina

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Really looking forward. She is four years old and has not been mated. Coming from a renowned breeder. The species is affordable in Germany.

30x30x45cm / 12x12x18in
Exo Terra with stone background
(I have two of these terrariums next to each other. One for my Sphodromantis gastrica and the other for diamantinensis. So both animals have a lot of space.)

Exo Terra Jungle Tree
(Artificial, bendable tree for anchor points.)

Forest earth as substrate.

Very good light/heat system.

I will skip a hide as she webs her own. Instead of trying to keep the water dish free from her web I will skip it and spray the web directly.

I am even thinking about skipping the Jungle Tree anchor points in order to see her free space architecture...?

By the way: nice threat-picture aphono! :alien
Even though they web a lot this is still a terrestrial spider. They can still fall and go splat. I know, I know, most people in Germany will tell you tarantulas never fall and you can have as high an enclosure as you want, but there have been a few threads around here of terrestrial spiders falling and dying. I don't like the idea of a terrestrial spider in an Exo Terra much - I think it's highly dangerous. An Exo Terra is huge for a dwarf species, too, so your spider will have quite a distance to fall and it will need quite a bit of time to web it all up...
 

Crone Returns

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Thanks! That's an excellent set up I think. It's up to you to use the tree- been tempted to get one for something but anyways your new pet is likely to web up everything, no matter if there's any decorations in there or none. Mine filled up the cube pretty well. So much I barely can see the curly twigs in there anymore. She needs to be rehoused after her recent molt.. been thinking about what size to put her into. You probably know this already, but this species does not seem to burrow at all so there's no need to put in deep substrate. I had put in a fair amount for mine but it was just waste taking up space. To me it seems they like the substrate somewhat moist.. were you advised the same?

Here's how mine decorated her(? not sexed yet) cube:

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Wow. Sort of like Picasso...
 

Crystal Spider

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What a beautiful webbing aphono!

Still thinking about the height of substrate. Was advised to keep her not too moist. Substrate dry to medium. Water in the web every second day.

I can recommend the "Jungle Tree" as I already use it in my mantis terrarium. Size L works perfect with 12x12x18in, but you need to bend it before you put it in. Of course you can still adapt it inside. For the diamantinensis I will probably skip it and give her a chance for free space design.



Thanks for advise boina.

Exo Terra glass terrariums are available in many different sizes. The metal mesh in the top can be replaced for spiders. The advantages / disadvantages of Exo Terra have been discussed in detail. I like them.

Size 12x12x18in is debatable for diamantinensis. They are classified as terrestrial due to their body. But look at the many pictures with fully webbed enclosures. This is not Brachypelma, etc. Still I am thinking about including more substrate in order to reduce the height of the terrarium. Difficult to decide as the spider might be "happy" to use every inch for her webbing.
 

The Grym Reaper

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Size 12x12x18in is debatable for diamantinensis.
Way too big, even the mini (12x12x12) is a bit on the large side. Also, they tend to keep their webbing fairly close to ground level (before I rehoused my male he hadn't touched anything above the halfway point of his enclosure, I don't have any pics of his old setup but it looked similar to my N. incei enclosure pictured below) and will utilise hides (a piece of bark leant against one of the sides seems to be their preferred option, pictured below).

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To me it seems they like the substrate somewhat moist.. were you advised the same?
Mine seems to tolerate dry spells quite well but I generally try to keep things slightly moist.
 

Chris LXXIX

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Do you have any information regarding the bite / venom of Dolichothele diamantinensis?

I found only assumptions... "Brazil = probably mild venom".
Unbeliavable unholy pain and yes, unfortunately you will die... but before the advent of the Tristo Mietitore (vulgar 'Death', in English) for a moment your face will turn exactly like Walter Ulbricht's one, and - according to the Myth - you still have the time for a (last) speech about the importance of the radio for the proletariat and social life issues, in general :bored:
 

Crystal Spider

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The Grym Reaper you have nice enclosures. Your spider seems to web less than others.

Do you also consider 12x12x18in as dangerous for diamantinensis?

This hunger for profits causes great misery for the people. Walter Ulbricht
:);):)
 
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