Tree frog advice needed.

[Rhino1]

Ive almost finished building my first proper tank with sliding doors etc, so far it looks great - just like a bought one.
Anyway I'm putting large diameter taps at the bottom so I can flush it out properly when needed.
It will eventually house up to four whites tree frogs and I'm not sure whether to go a planted bioactive set up capable of breaking down waste or to make it more bare and easily cleaned.
If I go the latter I was thinking a large sized gravel/stone that waste will easily pass through with a removable fake turf on top so I can simply hose it all out and using things like PVC pipe as hides and perches.
Is the silicone Coco fibre diy backing method suitable as a long term thing for both methods?
I'm just not sure which way to go and if I decide on the bio I need it to cycle for 8-12 weeks and these frogs are growing so quickly.
Any thoughts or input from experienced froggers appreciated, this is probably my last chance to alter or add anything in the tank build before I start setting up the interior.
TIA Rhino

 

[SeaNettle]

Generally, I would recommend going bioactive. I have two green tree frogs I've had them for about 1.5 years. About 2 months ago I tore apart their tank and went bioactive. I don't regret it in the least as they seem to be much happier and it's much less maintenance for me.
I hope someone else here can give you some more useful advice, but I vote bioactive if your on the fence.

 

[MantisGirl13]

I vote bioactive as well.
- MantisGirl13

 

[BepopCola]

Another bioactive vote here. I have a squirrel treefrog in a bioactive. He loves the leaves.
I also use the silicone + coco fiber for some of my tanks, but not for my frog tank (I ran out of supplies). You'll end up with bald patches after a while if you have excessive climbers. It still doesn't look too bad, and frogs may more forgiving than millipedes.

 

[Rhino1]

Thanks for all the replies, I'm pretty good at maintaining a bio set up but wasn't sure whether or not to commit to it simply due to the amount of waste produced by 4 (eventually) large frogs. They are in a bio active viv now but I still spot clean the poops daily and have no issues at all.
I never thought I would keep what was once such a common frog here, the combination of chytrid fungus and the never ending army of cane toads (B.Marinus) have definitely taken their toll on wild populations, but I'm so glad that I finally commited, they are so chilled out and cool with the little smug faces and already a little bit fat lol, they already know my routine and are all waiting for me when I get home from work not to mention my wife and daughters love feeding them.
A great addition to the family.

 

[viper69]

I’ve raised White’s for decades. They are large, not at all delicate in their movement type of species. I would definitely go more simple.

They certainly can damage small plants.

And when they eat, they just dive bomb into sub and eat. They will take a a good amount of sub in their mouthes.

I always provided one a few dishes to soak in, of course they almost always pooped in them, so I had fresh water always ready.

I love this species.

I’d like to get a super snowflake morph. I know the breeder who created it. It took him 30 yrs!!!

 

[Rhino1]

Any recommendations on substrate @viper69?
I saw a YouTube vid on super snowflakes (solid gold aquatics) and they are super impressive, I'm not an expert but some snowflakes I've seen overseas are just like the naturally occurring ones that pop up in the wild here. Mine are all juvies but one has quite a few white spots, more than the others but not sure what makes it a snowflake. Like so many of our native species overseas keepers have actually been keeping and breeding them longer than we have lol.
I've posted this question on so many sites but trust Arachnoboards to give me almost instant replies.
Thanks again everyone

 

[viper69]

Any recommendations on substrate @viper69?
I saw a YouTube vid on super snowflakes (solid gold aquatics) and they are super impressive, I'm not an expert but some snowflakes I've seen overseas are just like the naturally occurring ones that pop up in the wild here. Mine are all juvies but one has quite a few white spots, more than the others but not sure what makes it a snowflake. Like so many of our native species overseas keepers have actually been keeping and breeding them longer than we have lol.
I've posted this question on so many sites but trust Arachnoboards to give me almost instant replies.
Thanks again everyone

I went with simple- straight sheet moss.

The person or site to visit who created them is Sandfire Dragon Ranch, Bob is a legend in the the reptile breeding biz.

Could you post some pics of yours?

If this link works here are supers

There are a lot more snowflake morphs, those resembled native ones IME

Haven’t seen a supersnow resemble a native.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=589348254539828&id=144142875727037&set=pcb.589348447873142&source=48&refid=13&__tn__=%2B%3E

 

[viper69]

Here are 2 supers that Bob was holding maybe 5 years ago, they were 200$ each. I should have bought them back then.

 

[Rhino1]

@viper69 Nah, I just meant that some snowflakes I've seen online, aren't much spottier than some wild ones I've seen with spots, but those super snowflakes look unreal, wish we could get them here, that pic is a cracker, so beautiful.
Yeah I already knew sandfire had bred those think I saw it on reptiles magazine or dendroboards.
Thanks very much for the pic, that link is just telling me to join Facebook, won't let me see it.

 

[Rhino1]

@RezonantVoid
Check out this Australian green tree frog morph in viper69's post.

 

[RezonantVoid]

HO-LY!! They are gorgeous!! The tree frog population has been recovering in our yard as of late and i thought some of those looked spotty. I was wrong

 

[viper69]

HO-LY!! They are gorgeous!! The tree frog population has been recovering in our yard as of late and i thought some of those looked spotty. I was wrong

So it took Bob 30 yrs to develop that morph. My Whites were always peppered with spots, but not like those obviously. I had always wished someone would breed for spots!

Also Bob was working on, May have it too, 2 super morphs- 1 with white spots, and 1 with butter yellow spots.

Over here the naturally occurring spots we see in normals are a mixture of both colors.

 

[RezonantVoid]

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