Theraphosinae sp Mandarin

[MFloyd87]

Anyone have experience with this beautiful T? I just keep going back to it over and over, but I can’t find a lot of info on it
I’m wondering if the mandarin color really shines through, or, if all in all it looks brown.
I have four kids and while I do keep OW, I’m always looking for the calmer docile species so the kids can help with feedings etc.

 

[NMTs]

Anyone have experience with this beautiful T? I just keep going back to it over and over, but I can’t find a lot of info on it
I’m wondering if the mandarin color really shines through, or, if all in all it looks brown.
I have four kids and while I do keep OW, I’m always looking for the calmer docile species so the kids can help with feedings etc.

I don't think many (if any) in the US have experience with adults of this species - they're relatively newly available in the market here in the US. I've got slings of some of the others that were made available in the same import as the T. sp. mandarin, but I don't have that one specifically (I have T. sp. azul, T. sp. dorado, T. sp. cuzco to name a few). They all act pretty much the same so far - do some digging, and retreat to their tunnels when disturbed, but otherwise stay out on top. They're growing pretty fast, and I would expect the mandarin to do the same. I don't have any reason to doubt that they'll end up looking the way the adults do in the photos you see - some of my little ones are already starting to show hints of their adult colors, and it gets more obvious with each molt.

Pretty sure that @Charliemum has T. sp. mandarin sling(s), so she can speak a little more specifically about them.

 

[viper69]

Been breeding them for years

Honestly be careful with pics out there. There are some species that some dealers have been using for years and the images are completely augmented to make colors pop. I’ll wait a bit to see what colors are actual.
Wonder what their life span is, I haven’t looked into them too much.

 

[JoeRossi]

Anyone have experience with this beautiful T? I just keep going back to it over and over, but I can’t find a lot of info on it
I’m wondering if the mandarin color really shines through, or, if all in all it looks brown.
I have four kids and while I do keep OW, I’m always looking for the calmer docile species so the kids can help with feedings etc.

Since I have them listed let's start backwards. Here is the ugliest picture of them I have in need of a molt and dirty. Still looks nice imo & hope this helps:

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Since I have them listed let's start backwards. Here is the ugliest picture of them I have in need of a molt and dirty. Still looks nice imo & hope this helps:

Similar coloration to Mexican fireleg. Brachypelma boehmei it’ is still very different.

 

[herpetogeorgie]

Keep staring and staring at this species and have no idea what genus it would be placed in.

Kind of looks like a Megaphobema?

Good luck with your tangerine dream

Edit: Never mind just seen how small it is and that people are labelling it as a Theraphosinae Some sites I've seen are listing it as Theraphosidae

 

[MFloyd87]

I don't think many (if any) in the US have experience with adults of this species - they're relatively newly available in the market here in the US. I've got slings of some of the others that were made available in the same import as the T. sp. mandarin, but I don't have that one specifically (I have T. sp. azul, T. sp. dorado, T. sp. cuzco to name a few). They all act pretty much the same so far - do some digging, and retreat to their tunnels when disturbed, but otherwise stay out on top. They're growing pretty fast, and I would expect the mandarin to do the same. I don't have any reason to doubt that they'll end up looking the way the adults do in the photos you see - some of my little ones are already starting to show hints of their adult colors, and it gets more obvious with each molt.

Pretty sure that @Charliemum has T. sp. mandarin sling(s), so she can speak a little more specifically about them.

Thank you for your response. This would be my first of this species
I’ll follow up with how it goes!

Been breeding them for years

Honestly be careful with pics out there. There are some species that some dealers have been using for years and the images are completely augmented to make colors pop. I’ll wait a bit to see what colors are actual.
Wonder what their life span is, I haven’t looked into them too much.

i did notice that with a lot of the species, and orange is one of those colors that I’m like are we talking orange or “glossy tan” lol
Anyways, I suspect I’m going to take the plunge either way, for better or worse. I honestly don’t have one T I regret.
Someone else on this thread said Theraphosinae normally do have beautiful coloration so that’s a plus!

 

[JoeRossi]

Thank you for your response. This would be my first of this species
I’ll follow up with how it goes!


i did notice that with a lot of the species, and orange is one of those colors that I’m like are we talking orange or “glossy tan” lol
Anyways, I suspect I’m going to take the plunge either way, for better or worse. I honestly don’t have one T I regret.
Someone else on this thread said Theraphosinae normally do have beautiful coloration so that’s a plus!

Not going down the rabbit hole here to far but to the comment of "some have it Theraphosidae vs Theraphosinae" they are the same thing and that is not described. Lke Ornithoctoninae etc... it is simply a classification of undescribed taranrula. Therfore , stating that "Theraphosinae normally do have beautiful coloration" is like saying all Tarantula have beautiful coloration. I would agree to this and that many given that tag are pretty, but one should i.d. anything undescribed by the mother and father it came from. So if someone does not have a picture of exactly what mom looks like on an undescribed species then you could be in for a surprise. And even then there can and will be mistakes. There are many not in the WSC as no way taxonomy could keep up or ever will, but if it is not here or coming here with the paper work backing it up then it is just a Tarantula undescribed https://wsc.nmbe.ch/family/100/Theraphosidae

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Thank you for your response. This would be my first of this species
I’ll follow up with how it goes!

Shame it’s not the hobby at least not here, good luck.

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

Not going down the rabbit hole here to far but to the comment of "some have it Theraphosidae vs Theraphosinae" they are the same thing and that is not described. Lke Ornithoctoninae etc... it is simply a classification of undescribed taranrula. Therfore , stating that "Theraphosinae normally do have beautiful coloration" is like saying all Tarantula have beautiful coloration. I would agree to this and that many given that tag are pretty, but one should i.d. anything undescribed by the mother and father it came from. So if someone does not have a picture of exactly what mom looks like on an undescribed species then you could be in for a surprise. And even then there can and will be mistakes. There are many not in the WSC as no way taxonomy could keep up or ever will, but if it is not here or coming here with the paper work backing it up then it is just a Tarantula undescribed https://wsc.nmbe.ch/family/100/Theraphosidae

Hey Joe. Nice to see you posting in the discussion forums!

There is a lot of information that can be received by the choice in scientific name assigned to tarantulas entering the pet trade. Something labeled as Theraphosidae sp. just means some species of tarantula. However, a label with Theraphosinae is an identification to subfamily which would tell someone this is a tarantula species that at least possesses urticatious setae of a type other than types 2 or 5 along with other characteristics of the subfamily Theraphosinae. Further examination could reveal a genus level identification which would then be informative of other characteristics.

In addition to the information communicated about the tarantula being sold from the scientific name attributed to it, it also provides information about those who originally started using it. There is a very good chance these "Mandarin" tarantulas are new to science, but that should not be assumed unless it is known that someone somewhere made every possible effort to identify it to species level. With tarantulas that could be very difficult or nearly impossible since many tarantulas do not have adequate published descriptions. A specimen of this "Mandarin" tarantula could very well be sitting in a jar of alcohol with a matching description paper which is just unknown to anyone at the time they were collected and shipped off around the world for the pet trade. Until further information is provided on whether they are new to science, a more reasonable assumption would be that those who use a family, subfamily, or even genus level name just doesn't know what they are.

 

[JoeRossi]

Hey Joe. Nice to see you posting in the discussion forums!

There is a lot of information that can be received by the choice in scientific name assigned to tarantulas entering the pet trade. Something labeled as Theraphosidae sp. just means some species of tarantula. However, a label with Theraphosinae is an identification to subfamily which would tell someone this is a tarantula species that at least possesses urticatious setae of a type other than types 2 or 5 along with other characteristics of the subfamily Theraphosinae. Further examination could reveal a genus level identification which would then be informative of other characteristics.

In addition to the information communicated about the tarantula being sold from the scientific name attributed to it, it also provides information about those who originally started using it. There is a very good chance these "Mandarin" tarantulas are new to science, but that should not be assumed unless it is known that someone somewhere made every possible effort to identify it to species level. With tarantulas that could be very difficult or nearly impossible since many tarantulas do not have adequate published descriptions. A specimen of this "Mandarin" tarantula could very well be sitting in a jar of alcohol with a matching description paper which is just unknown to anyone at the time they were collected and shipped off around the world for the pet trade. Until further information is provided on whether they are new to science, a more reasonable assumption would be that those who use a family, subfamily, or even genus level name just doesn't know what they are.

Ya, once in a blue moon I have some time to reply and see something that is pertinent with what I have listed lol. As far as your statement, many discussion have been here and elsewhere through out the years on "proper identification". Nothing new to what we are discussing . But of ofcourse all that come in need to be labeled as something to eventually be properly i.d. and or grouped as something. Color or location in the sp. can help but as I stated one should have background information of what the T looks like from the parents and even then it can get messed up (boehemi baumgarteni or other hybrids for example). Again one has to look no further then seeing the amount of Ornithoctoninae, Theraphosinae, Theraphosidae to see there are several undescribes Tarantuals. Look at Theraphosidae sp.Panama now considered Davus and moved in but still sp panama. Or Hapalopus sp. Everything why we have Klein, Gross, small large, Munchkin, Pumpkin, Speckled, lemon patch, triseratus etc...There has been plenty miss matched through the years, but when individuals know where their stock originated and have real pictured of parents sometimes we get it right

By the way I was trying to remeber the last time you picked up from me a few years ago was it Sphaerobothria hoffmanni? Would love to see more of those in the hobby

 

[MFloyd87]

Not going down the rabbit hole here to far but to the comment of "some have it Theraphosidae vs Theraphosinae" they are the same thing and that is not described. Lke Ornithoctoninae etc... it is simply a classification of undescribed taranrula. Therfore , stating that "Theraphosinae normally do have beautiful coloration" is like saying all Tarantula have beautiful coloration. I would agree to this and that many given that tag are pretty, but one should i.d. anything undescribed by the mother and father it came from. So if someone does not have a picture of exactly what mom looks like on an undescribed species then you could be in for a surprise. And even then there can and will be mistakes. There are many not in the WSC as no way taxonomy could keep up or ever will, but if it is not here or coming here with the paper work backing it up then it is just a Tarantula undescribed https://wsc.nmbe.ch/family/100/Theraphosidae

Thank the spider gods for this place! I honestly learn something every time I come on here. Truly did not know this.

Keep staring and staring at this species and have no idea what genus it would be placed in.

Kind of looks like a Megaphobema?

Good luck with your tangerine dream

Edit: Never mind just seen how small it is and that people are labelling it as a Theraphosinae Some sites I've seen are listing it as Theraphosidae

Thank you! I’m going for it!

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

As far as your statement, many discussion have been here and elsewhere through out the years on "proper identification". Nothing new to what we are discussing . But of ofcourse all that come in need to be labeled as something to eventually be properly i.d. and or grouped as something. Color or location in the sp. can help but as I stated one should have background information of what the T looks like from the parents and even then it can get messed up (boehemi baumgarteni or other hybrids for example). Again one has to look no further then seeing the amount of Ornithoctoninae, Theraphosinae, Theraphosidae to see there are several undescribes Tarantuals. Look at Theraphosidae sp.Panama now considered Davus and moved in but still sp panama. Or Hapalopus sp. Everything why we have Klein, Gross, small large, Munchkin, Pumpkin, Speckled, lemon patch, triseratus etc...There has been plenty miss matched through the years, but when individuals know where their stock originated and have real pictured of parents sometimes we get it right

The point I was trying to make in my previous post was that a label featuring a taxonomic rank up to genus says more about someone's confidence in their ability- or lack of effort- in making an identification more than a determination as to whether something is new to science (undescribed).

Davus sp. "Panama" is a good example. Once known as Theraphosinae sp. "Panama" in the pet trade, it took someone to properly examine one, key it to genus with confidence, and determined it can't be matched to an existing Davus species using the available publications. It wasn't moved to the genus Davus, it was just identified as a species belonging to that genus. Its label as Theraphosinae sp. "Panama" means whoever traded them- for whatever reason- didn't know it was a species of Davus and traded them at the subfamily rank, Theraphosinae, which was obvious just by looking at it. The patch of urticatious setae was the dead give-away to reach a confident identification at the subfamily rank.

There is a pervasive misunderstanding in the tarantula keeping community that every time a name is changed on a price list or in the pet trade, it means a taxonomic change has occurred. Sometimes it does, but in other instances, like with Davus sp. "Panama", names are changed by means of proper identification. What occurs with labels in the pet trade and the science of taxonomy are two separate "things."

By the way I was trying to remeber the last time you picked up from me a few years ago was it Sphaerobothria hoffmanni? Would love to see more of those in the hobby

You must have me confused with someone else. I've never picked anything up from you; my purchases have always been shipped to me in Texas. LOL
But I would like to see more Sphaerobothria hoffmanni too.

 

[JoeRossi]

You must have me confused with someone else. I've never picked anything up from you; my purchases have always been shipped to me in Texas. LOL
But I would like to see more Sphaerobothria hoffmanni too.
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Certainly I was not saying you were picking up in person from me . It was just a general term i was using for getting Tarantulas from me in the past via Fedex, in person, or any other way . I know and am almost positive I have shipped to you in Texas years ago. I will have to go through my records.....I guess it wasn't hoffmanni then, but it was something . I probably have the shipping info still logged as well.

Solid on your "point" and to mine it is that an individual typically gets a specie based on their desire for that specie(s). So if that is ones desire, then to the best of their ability they should do the research making sure that's what they are actually getting/wanting (coloration,nature, parents, health, trusted sellers, names, size, etc...). Which was what I read the point of this post was in the first place.

We'll good to pop in here and best to those in their Mandarin quest as it looks like a keeper to me.

 

[Charliemum]

I don't think many (if any) in the US have experience with adults of this species - they're relatively newly available in the market here in the US. I've got slings of some of the others that were made available in the same import as the T. sp. mandarin, but I don't have that one specifically (I have T. sp. azul, T. sp. dorado, T. sp. cuzco to name a few). They all act pretty much the same so far - do some digging, and retreat to their tunnels when disturbed, but otherwise stay out on top. They're growing pretty fast, and I would expect the mandarin to do the same. I don't have any reason to doubt that they'll end up looking the way the adults do in the photos you see - some of my little ones are already starting to show hints of their adult colors, and it gets more obvious with each molt.

Pretty sure that @Charliemum has T. sp. mandarin sling(s), so she can speak a little more specifically about them.

Sorry for a late reply but yes I have sp mandarin is a teeny sling atm had Shu a few months now , we dig like there is no tomorrow. When Shu came we went into a 20oz deli half filled with sub moss cork ect and everything is buried now , there was about 3 inches of sub and Shu dug right down to the bottom has a huge burrow seals it when moulting , has a great appetite and does sit in the burrow entrance alot but bolts as soon as I touch the enclosure. Where I bought Shu from said they don't get large maybe 4/5 inches but like you I didn't find much on them but I have thoroughly enjoyed Shu so far little floofer is always doing something

I haven't managed many pics due to a cloudy viv n Shu bolting if I touch the enclosure but best pic I got so far, Shu is maybe an inch dls moulted once so far in my care. Oh i almost forgot Shu seems to enjoy humidity just as a tip if you get one i didn't see anything about humidity when i looked up the sp , so i ised l4nsky 's humid loving n burrowing sp sub mix n Shu is thriving in it apart from that i hqve no info sorry like you i struggled to find much on them. Worth the get though if you enjoy an active fossorial t

Anyone have experience with this beautiful T? I just keep going back to it over and over, but I can’t find a lot of info on it
I’m wondering if the mandarin color really shines through, or, if all in all it looks brown.
I have four kids and while I do keep OW, I’m always looking for the calmer docile species so the kids can help with feedings etc.

OK just actually read this instead of just answering a shout off NMTs
If your looking for a child interactive t I may be able to help, it's just me and my son but he is 10 and is on the autistic spectrum (high functioning) I keep 100 t's n true spiders atm and my son often joins me at feeding time (well used too) although I will stress we are a no handling house so there is no holding or anything and to start I taught him t safty basics , no sudden movements, no loud voices, no banging whatever the t's are on for feeding ie the bench. Then he watched for a few months getting used to the burst of speed often shown by the t's when food is dropped in. Once he got used to the routine I started by letting him feed the t's I knew wouldn't bolt like my brachypelma acanthoscurria and aphonopelma all my baby's in these genus's are pretty chill, once he got used to my chill ones I let him feed some of my more active t's like Sericopelma, Pamphobeteus ect . I even got him his own t's he got a versicolor first now has 2 of those , albo next, then avic and his most recent baby was a Theraphosa blondi my SO bred . Unfortunately he seems to have lost interest recently and t's were replaced by football but my point being start with slow t's you know and can predict to a certain degree ( I say degree because wild animals are never 100% predictable) and work your way up , make sure they know the rules first and everything should be fine .sp Mandarin probably isn't best to start them with they burrow alot so spend time under ground, I suggest a Tliltocatl or Brachypelma if you want something the kids can interact with to start and I would get an older one just because slings again burrow alot and arre harder to see, juvinile/sub adults/adults are nearly always out , they do very little but at least the kids can see em you find a t that you will all adore gl.

 

[NMTs]

t's were replaced by football

You mean soccer?? LOL

 

[Charliemum]

You mean soccer?? LOL

Either or , I don't get it whatever its called I don't do sports

Lol Mrs NMTs I can't help it, I am arachnocompulsive for a reason between my 100 n my SO's leggy wards we have about 450 t's n a few true spiders t's = joy

 

[TheraMygale]

Sorry for a late reply but yes I have sp mandarin is a teeny sling atm had Shu a few months now , we dig like there is no tomorrow. When Shu came we went into a 20oz deli half filled with sub moss cork ect and everything is buried now , there was about 3 inches of sub and Shu dug right down to the bottom has a huge burrow seals it when moulting , has a great appetite and does sit in the burrow entrance alot but bolts as soon as I touch the enclosure. Where I bought Shu from said they don't get large maybe 4/5 inches but like you I didn't find much on them but I have thoroughly enjoyed Shu so far little floofer is always doing something

I haven't managed many pics due to a cloudy viv n Shu bolting if I touch the enclosure but best pic I got so far, Shu is maybe an inch dls moulted once so far in my care. Oh i almost forgot Shu seems to enjoy humidity just as a tip if you get one i didn't see anything about humidity when i looked up the sp , so i ised l4nsky 's humid loving n burrowing sp sub mix n Shu is thriving in it apart from that i hqve no info sorry like you i struggled to find much on them. Worth the get though if you enjoy an active fossorial t View attachment 470712


OK just actually read this instead of just answering a shout off NMTs
If your looking for a child interactive t I may be able to help, it's just me and my son but he is 10 and is on the autistic spectrum (high functioning) I keep 100 t's n true spiders atm and my son often joins me at feeding time (well used too) although I will stress we are a no handling house so there is no holding or anything and to start I taught him t safty basics , no sudden movements, no loud voices, no banging whatever the t's are on for feeding ie the bench. Then he watched for a few months getting used to the burst of speed often shown by the t's when food is dropped in. Once he got used to the routine I started by letting him feed the t's I knew wouldn't bolt like my brachypelma acanthoscurria and aphonopelma all my baby's in these genus's are pretty chill, once he got used to my chill ones I let him feed some of my more active t's like Sericopelma, Pamphobeteus ect . I even got him his own t's he got a versicolor first now has 2 of those , albo next, then avic and his most recent baby was a Theraphosa blondi my SO bred . Unfortunately he seems to have lost interest recently and t's were replaced by football but my point being start with slow t's you know and can predict to a certain degree ( I say degree because wild animals are never 100% predictable) and work your way up , make sure they know the rules first and everything should be fine .sp Mandarin probably isn't best to start them with they burrow alot so spend time under ground, I suggest a Tliltocatl or Brachypelma if you want something the kids can interact with to start and I would get an older one just because slings again burrow alot and arre harder to see, juvinile/sub adults/adults are nearly always out , they do very little but at least the kids can see em you find a t that you will all adore gl.

you have one! This can’t be an OW though, right? I know it still has to be classified, but by the name, this places them somewhere in america.

 

[spideyspinneret78]

My little guy/gal digs a lot, but at night is always out. Just starting to get hints of color. Loves to rip its molts to shreds so I haven't been able to attempt molt sexing using a microscope yet. Very, very food motivated! Would probably sell its soul to Satan himself for a mealworm chunk. I can't wait to see what it'll look like as it matures.

 

[KenD]

You mean soccer?? LOL

Well, there's an actual ball involved - in contrast to the American variant, (primarily) operated by foot - in contrast to the American variant