Thai tiger???

[Tman86]

I got a taratulana today at my LPS and it was labled as a Thai tiger. When I searched Thai tiger tarantula I came up with Cyriopagopus paganus at first but then seen some other places calling them different Haplopelma sp. So im curious what Thai tigers scientific names really are? I've done a little research with no luck. Are Thai tigers just a general group name like baboons or bird eaters or poekies. My computer is ancient and takes forever loading so I was hoping someone would be willing to share some helpful links or info on Thai tigers, please and thanks!!! Sorry if this is a "dumb" question thats already been posted on here. I attached some pics but my camera is as ancient as my pc so they're blurry.

 

[JZC]

I am no expert, but probably a haplopelma. post clearer pics

 

[Ludedor24]

Ide say Haplopelma Sp 'Vietnam' or H.longipes

 

[Tman86]

I am no expert, but probably a haplopelma. post clearer pics

I'll post some better pics as soon as I can let me see what I can do.

 

[Poec54]

Ide say Haplopelma Sp 'Vietnam' or H.longipes

+1. 'Cyriopagopus paganus' are not Cyriopagopus, which is an arboreal genus. Most are usually Haplopelma longipes. Neat spider, too bad dealers take such liberties with the names.

 

[Tman86]

Heres some better pics thats the best i can get until someone comes over with an Iphone or something.

 

[spiderengineer]

haplopelma vonwirthi or longipes cares the same alot of substrate for a deep burrow

 

[Tman86]

K thanks I have it in a 2.5 gallon (12L x 8H x 6W) with 4" deep substrate in lowest spot upto almost 5 1/2" deep in highest spot and have a half log hide other than water dish is that good? The T is 4" right now.

 

[spiderengineer]

in the wild their burrows can be a foot deep or more so it needs a lot more than 5 inches. on my youtube channel located on my signature i have a video of how i take care of my haplopelmas.

 

[Tman86]

Thanks the video was helpful. This is my first Haplopelma T, I have Poekies, Avics, Baboons, etc.. but this is my first "pet hole" lol. I will go get a deeper enclosure for it tomorrow and get it in something more permanent. I'm going to do some more research but at what size do they usually mature and sexual dimorphism happen?

 

[Arachtion]

Thanks the video was helpful. This is my first Haplopelma T, I have Poekies, Avics, Baboons, etc.. but this is my first "pet hole" lol. I will go get a deeper enclosure for it tomorrow and get it in something more permanent. I'm going to do some more research but at what size do they usually mature and sexual dimorphism happen?

Looks to me like what are sold here as Haplopelma "sp. Vietnam" and if it is, they mature pretty small, males mature around the 3-3.5" and my WC AF dropped an egg sac about the same size.

 

[spiderengineer]

from the pics and the size i would say she is a mature female.

 

[Lopez]

Hello.

Firstly, ignore any references to the name "Cyriopagopus paganus" - that was just misinformed dealers, traders, importers, collectors and so on many years ago.

Your spider is likely to be either a Haplopelma longipes (I don't think it is - but the pictures are not clear enough to do any more than guess) or alternatively a spider from what I'll call for now the "Haplopelma minax complex" - ie minax/vonwirthi/minax "big black" etc.

Either way - it needs a deep, tall, narrow tank so that it can burrow.

 

[Tman86]

Your spider is likely to be either a Haplopelma longipes (I don't think it is - but the pictures are not clear enough to do any more than guess) or alternatively a spider from what I'll call for now the "Haplopelma minax complex" - ie minax/vonwirthi/minax "big black" etc.

Do you know the characteristics to tell the two apart to where maybe I can get a good look at it myself and maybe rule out species before it does burrow and I don't get to see it much? I understand care is the same but I would still like to properly identify it in case I decide to breed in future. I don't want to breed it unless I can narrow down the species and get a mate of the same.

 

[spiderengineer]

Do you know the characteristics to tell the two apart to where maybe I can get a good look at it myself and maybe rule out species before it does burrow and I don't get to see it much? I understand care is the same but I would still like to properly identify it in case I decide to breed in future. I don't want to breed it unless I can narrow down the species and get a mate of the same.

as far as a proper ID it might be hard with out an expert seeing it with their own eyes. but I believe one qualification for it to be a longipes is for a certain leg ratio (not sure with what legs) the value of the ratio has to be under a value of 90

 

[gottarantulas]

This discussion is like deja' vu. My first T about a year and a half ago was a Thai Tiger that I picked up at a reptile expo and it was labeled Thai Tiger (*I've since learned that it's a trade name). After doing my research as to the true identity of the T, I wavered between it being a Haplopelma versus a Cyriopagopus. I finally determined that it was a Haplopelma. The discern that became whether it was a Minax, Von Wirthi or Longpipes.

 

[Balvala]

as far as a proper ID it might be hard with out an expert seeing it with their own eyes. but I believe one qualification for it to be a longipes is for a certain leg ratio (not sure with what legs) the value of the ratio has to be under a value of 90

I'll copy and paste the same thing that I had posted on another thread not to long ago when I actually recommended the person in question to spiderengineer at the time for a better opinion. (Read the bold letters if you want to gain direct insight on your specimen through the breakdown I posted):

"You can rule out H. Hainanum if it doesn't have more prominent "sideburns" (slightly frilled setae lining the sides of the chelicerae/a little into the front sides of the carapace) or a "mustache" (frilled setae above the chelicerae/below the eyes.) You can see that here: http://www.venomlist.com/forums/inde...elma-mustache/

In fact, this would be a defining feature falling under that Schmidti complex: Haplopelma Hainanum, Haplopelma Schmidti and Haplopelma sp. "Bach Ma" would have the similar feature I linked you to above. The "Minax Group" would not have this feature depicted as much, thus Haplopelma Longipes, Minax, VonWirthi and Albostriatum are the most likely candidates as we break this down (not counting H. Lividum for obvious reasons.) Also, we can dissolve this a little further by subtracting Longipes as well due to the fact that you'll notice Leg Set (IV) of both Longipes and Lividum being noticeably larger than Leg Set (I) in their own species which separates them from the other Minax Group counterparts. As well, H. Albostriatum has much more noticeable striation throughout the patella, tibia and upper metatarsal region.

Now that we're left with H. VonWirthi and H. Minax in my opinion, I'm going to have to decide that you have a Haplopelma VonWirthi through coloration and body structure. Of course, there might be some chance of a very slight variation in this specimen keeping me from being absolutely sure. Keeping in tune with references toward the more common sales that come under labels such as "Haplopelma sp. 'Vietnam,' Thai Tiger, Vietnamese Tiger, etc...," these more than likely end up as Haplopelma VonWirthi in the end making them the most common to be distributed throughout the hobby currently..."

If you'd like any more clarification, head to my photo thread on the last collection of images I posted and see if the specimen you currently own is pretty much identical to the one on my page. If so, then it's more than likely an H. VonWirthi. Otherwise, The suggestions toward care that others posted above coincide with what I would have provided for you as well.