Something about Pamphobeteus sp. MASCARA / sp. LIGHT and others

[c.h.esteban]

Pamphobeteus sp. "mascara" = is a total mess with a "light form", "dark form" and "rose-colored form" and then, we have Pamphobeteus sp. "small" and "light" just to confuse matters worse with some Europeans claiming the Pamphobeteus sp. "light" = P. "mascara" (light) AND P. "mascara" (rose-colored form).

The sp. MASCARA and the sp. LIGHT are from different localities (distance around 200 km).
Between these two localities / spp. there is another different P.sp. which could maybe work as a reproductive barrier.
Further the bulbs of sp. MASCARA and sp. LIGHT also shows slightly differences. Because I had only a few specimens, I am not sure if it's just a variance.
If there is a LIGHT and a DARK form, why not, that's nature. I can see it also in the sp. LIGHT.

If we talk about the sp. SANTO DOMINGO SMALL, so this is a completely different species.
The juvenile has a bluish color without any pattern in the first stages and the bulb is very broad, short and spatulate.
I have no idea why you put it on the list with MASCARA and LIGHT.

Pamphobeteus sp. "emeraldas" = appears to be two different species in the U.S. hobby.

I don't know. But it's possible.
When the sp ESMERALDAS was introduced into the hobby, there was a breeder who sold offspring first as sp. N-ECUADOR and then as sp. ESMERALDAS.

 

[xenesthis]

The sp. MASCARA and the sp. LIGHT are from different localities (distance around 200 km).
Between these two localities / spp. there is another different P.sp. which could maybe work as a reproductive barrier.
Further the bulbs of sp. MASCARA and sp. LIGHT also shows slightly differences. Because I had only a few specimens, I am not sure if it's just a variance.
If there is a LIGHT and a DARK form, why not, that's nature. I can see it also in the sp. LIGHT.

If we talk about the sp. SANTO DOMINGO SMALL, so this is a completely different species.
The juvenile has a bluish color without any pattern in the first stages and the bulb is very broad, short and spatulate.
I have no idea why you put it on the list with MASCARA and LIGHT.




I don't know. But it's possible.
When the sp ESMERALDAS was introduced into the hobby, there was a breeder who sold offspring first as sp. N-ECUADOR and then as sp. ESMERALDAS.

"If we talk about the sp. SANTO DOMINGO SMALL, so this is a completely different species.
The juvenile has a bluish color without any pattern in the first stages and the bulb is very broad, short and spatulate.
I have no idea why you put it on the list with MASCARA and LIGHT."
= Just hearing comments from dealers/importers in the U.S. stating, that European breeders/exporters are giving "fluid" and "changing" info about sp. mascara (and it's color forms), sp. esmeraldas, sp. SD small, and sp. light. A typical situation is two years after a breeder sold Pamphobeteus sp. "esmeraldas" to U.S. importers and hobbyists and they grew up these Ts to juveniles/sub-adults and posted pics of them, then the same European breeder states, the sp. "Esmeraldas" in the U.S. hobby is not the "real" "esmeraldas". WTH??? We got them from the European breeder!

@c.h.esteban, I do appreciate your efforts on AB to assist the hobby about this genus. Thank you.

 

[c.h.esteban]

@xenesthis

Thank´s i try my best.

Not sure whats going on there and how they came to such strang thoghts. But in the past i see a lot of such curious things and i am sure it will happen again.