Size of Dumerils

[MilkmanWes]

For an adult BCI and an adult dumerils they would be similar lengths, but how would the girth and weight compare between the two?

Trying to get an image in my minds eye of a comparison of a dum with something I already know.

 

[Raindog]

Most BCI grow much larger than dumerils. An adult female BCI will typically be around ten feet long,adult female dumerils max out at six to seven feet. The largest dumerils that I have ever seen was about five inches in diameter at her thickest point.

 

[MilkmanWes]

Most BCI grow much larger than dumerils. An adult female BCI will typically be around ten feet long,adult female dumerils max out at six to seven feet. The largest dumerils that I have ever seen was about five inches in diameter at her thickest point.

I meant BCC - or whichever of the two is the smaller red tail - i get confused. :wall:

What legal requirements are there for ownership since it is a CITES animal?

 

[Raindog]

BCC are generally larger than BCI. As far as the legal aspect, dumerils are well established in the pet trade. As long as you buy a CB animal you shouldn't have any problem at all.

 

[MilkmanWes]

Shows what I know of Boas.

Does it need a certificate of captive breeding?

 

[Raindog]

Think of it as a big scaley CB B. smithi.

You won't need any kind of paperwork. In fact, I have owned a few and until now I never knew they were CITES.

 

[MilkmanWes]

Great! Finally someone that isn't an ignorant chode to ask questions of! Asking on herp forums has been a trial in frustration since apparently no two people can agree on the color of the sky, let alone anything more complicated than that, or even make a complete sentence.

Been reading on their care and such and got to handle a youngun and really fascinated by these guys. A couple things I have not really learned to my satisfaction through googling -

Do they do better with radiant heat or an under tank heater? Haven't seen anything that explicitly defines which is better.

Do they keep that gorgeous coral/salmon through adulthood or does it fade with age?

Everyone seems to agree that they are docile except during feeding. Has this held true for you? Is training them to feed in a seperate cage a good idea or even necessary?

Some sources seem to indicate they are prone to stress, have you found this to be true?

Don't seem to be a lot of places selling them online, any dealers/breeders you recomend for them?

I have kept smaller snakes (corns, etc and balls) but never cared for a snake as large as a dum can get, would you say their care is something easily learned for someone wanting to venture into something of their size class?

 

[Raindog]

Ha, hey thanks Wes,

Dumerils are fairly hardy, I would go with an undertank with this species... it always worked for me so long as you keep the room temp above seventy degrees. Sadly, the color does fade quite a bit with age.

I have yet to encounter a truly aggressive dumerils but it could happen, think columbian and you won't be too far off the mark.

Out of tank feeding is a hot topic for herps. I suggest you do as you wish on this matter, I have tried both and cannot see any difference. The common guess is that an aggressive species that is fed in a seperate container would be less likely to strike at the keeper unless it was in said container. Aggressive species will strike at you no matter their surroundings.

Dumerils are not prone to being overstressed, that is a tribute held by flighty snakes and dumerils are certainly not flighty.

Check Kingsnake.com for dealers.

Dumerils don't get very big and are easy to care for, if you can keep a blondi alive you are more than ready for a dumerils.

 

[MilkmanWes]

Out of tank feeding is a hot topic for herps. I suggest you do as you wish on this matter, I have tried both and cannot see any difference. The common guess is that an aggressive species that is fed in a seperate container would be less likely to strike at the keeper unless it was in said container. Aggressive species will strike at you no matter their surroundings.

I have formulated no conclusion on this, but my gf feels more comfortable taking the corns and ball from their cages if we feed in this manner. The real advantage I get from it with the corns is they usually defecate at feeding time and it is far easier to hose out a feeding tub. That alone makes the effort worthwhile.

Dumerils are not prone to being overstressed, that is a tribute held by flighty snakes and dumerils are certainly not flighty.

Check Kingsnake.com for dealers.

Dumerils don't get very big and are easy to care for, if you can keep a blondi alive you are more than ready for a dumerils.

Well that helps out. So much of what I was reading on them was disjointed and felt very incomplete as I try to decide if it is something I want to get.

Sad to hear about the color shift though. The one in a shop nearby is so brightly colored that I could barely believe the photos I was seeing were the same species. I couldn't decide if it was something that didn't photograph well, was just unique to this specimen, or a sign that it was much younger than the photos I was seeing.

Holding the snake was very interesting. The scales feel very smooth and the muscle structure underneath was very solid. This particular one was not shy or nervous at all even when I tested it's reaction to touching near and on it's head.

 

[Madeline]

Does anybody know of any good corn snake breeders?

 

[MilkmanWes]

Check Kingsnake.com for dealers.

So many breeders - so few dumerils.... working down the list slowly but surely.

 

[Schlyne]

As for a good cornsnake dealer, go with Kathy Love. She and her husband wrote the cornsnake manual.

As for dumeril's breeders, this http://www.dumerils.com/ is the only one I know of. I've never bought anything from this person and the only way I know about his link is that it's listed as one of swap vendors for Lee Watson's Swap Meet.

 

[Rourke]

I have seen Dumeril's bordering on 10 feet, but it's rare. Here's a few pics of my female. She's 7-8 years old. I've never measured her, actually, but I guess she's close to six feet. I've mated my pair both of the last two years, without success. If it happens this year, I'll let you know!

 

[MilkmanWes]

That is a very attractuve snake. I love how the pattern on them almost looks like flower print, as if they were wearing a hawaiian shirt. Your wrist in that one shot helps put the proportions in perspective.

Someone locally has a breeding pair for sale for $400 that is very negotiable. Both of hem approach 7 feet. Sweet deal if I had room for both of them. Thinking that raising one up myself would be more fun though.

 

[MUNG!!!]

Dumeril's are seriously like the coolest snakes ever! I've had mune for about two years and it has grown considerably since then... he came to me in such horrible shape though... with tons of mites...and grossly underfed, but oh well it was some losers loss and i gained an awesome snake on the deal, it didnt hurt matters that he was free.

 

[Wolfchan]

*purrs* Aah, one of my all-time favorites! Thank you for the pictures Rourke!

 

[cody]

BCI's are generally smaller than BCC's and Dums. but again it all depends on the Local. like ive seen BCI's hit 10 feet then there are some like mine that is topped out at 6 feet.