Remedy for mange?

[The Snark]

So the dog itches. Following instructions from the boss I bought a flea and tick shampoo. To this I added Eucalyptol, Camphor and Lemongrass extracts. Finding an old vial of menthol I figured what the heck and added that. I also had to add some dishwashing liquid and laundry detergent to get the mixture to go emulsion.

Meanwhile the boss, having become decidedly unhappy about my mentioning he might have mange and extolling the agonies those little monsters are so good at distributing, had been doing some serious thinking. Unknown to me she added to the dog shampoo a jar of Tiger Balm (like Ben Gay to the 3rd power), an antibiotic and anti itch lotion the doctor prescribed for her when she had a weird rash and, because she read on the label you could add it to your bath water, a good sploosh of the bathroom cleanser and fungicide (smells like a pine tree pissing on a flaming oil derrick).

So I corralled the dog in the driveway and gave him a serious shampoo job. Something seemed a little weird. We had the precursor gusts of wind pre monsoon but the fumes radiating off the dog were making my eyes water. By the time I got finished and thoroughly rinsed the dog was giving me some really strange accusing glances. I couldn't blame him. He smelled like he would glow in the dark. Upon calling the boss she brought me up to speed on her own additions to the shampoo.

A few hours later he is still giving me offended looks but on the bright side the carport appears to be mosquito free. Maybe we are onto something here.

 

[PlaidJaguar]

Oh my goodness! Poor dog!! That's kind of hilarious.

 

[jthorntonwillis]

Snark,you never cease to amaze me with your hilarious antics! You need to write a book! If I ever get to Thailand,I will look you up for sure!! :laugh:

Btw is this dogthing? Surprised he didn't kill you for that!

 

[pitbulllady]

Well, now, IS it mange, or some other issue that's causing the itching? Ivermectin will clear up both kinds of mange, even a really bad case, because I've used it on dogs that are totally hairless from Demodex and it killed the mites and they grew their hair back and looked like normal dogs eventually. If it's fleas, or allergies, your remedy should indeed help, at least temporarily.

pitbulllady

 

[The Snark]

Is it mange? I detected that tell tale odor. Dogthing went into panic freak out mode when we drove him 10 feet in the jeep. So taking him to the vet is out. I'm going to try and get the Ivermectin if it's sold in this country.
The boss wants me to add half human shampoo to that mix and use it every other day or so. Both me and dog will need gas masks.

 

[pitbulllady]

In that case, you will find this useful:
Canine Dosage for treatment of mange-ypical dose is 400-600 mcg/kg by mouth every 24 hours.
10lbs is 4.55 kg. Thus the daily dose is 1820 to 2730 mcg.
Typical ivermectin is 10,000mcg/ml
Thus the typical dose is 0.18 to 0.27 cc by mouth every 24 hours.
Some doses can go higher so I don't have a problem with 0.3 cc by mouth every 24 hours for the first week. You will need to know your dog's weight.

This treatment should continue for 14 days, with the medication given by MOUTH, not as a dip. It's designed to be injected, so you will need a syringe to draw it out of the bottle. I always filled the rest of the syringe(3 cc) with water before squirting it down the dog's throat. It tastes HORRIBLE, so it will not be easy after that first dose! IF you can inject it into something that the dog loves to eat(besides cats), that might work. MIGHT. I found it difficult to fool Akitas, since they tend to be cautious about sampling unknown foods in the first place. Now, be aware that some primitive dogs ARE sensitive to Ivermectin, so it might be a good idea to have some Epinephrine on hand just in case, at least the first couple of treatments. I also accompanied the Ivermectin with two injections of Immunoregulin to strengthen the dog's immune system, and if it appears that the secondary bacterial infection has already set in, antibiotics may be needed.

pitbulllady

 

[The Snark]

Fits and starts

I checked on dogthing today and found him all chipper and cheerful. (Chipper means what?) His coat was very sleek and healthy looking which I complimented him on. Then I got near the step the dog shampoo was sitting on. He walked to the far end of the porch, turned, and gave me -The Stare-. -The Stare- in an animal is a strange thing. It expresses sentiments eloquently in complete silence. Many people have commonly been exposed to -The Stare- from their cat: 'Hey! Fill my water dish! Have you any idea how hard it is to drink from the toilet without falling in?'

Dogthing's communication, that emotionless yellow eyed make-a-basilisk-envious stare was easily understood to wit:

"Let me bring you up to speed arsehole. I'm trying to make a little progress with the local ladies which, I would mention, are few and far between around these parts. You aren't making this any easier when I'm smelling like the EPA Superfund site behind MaryKay Cosmetics and the nearest canine parfumery is the dairy farm a kilometer away across the river. So consider yourself warned; reach for that bottle of suds again and I might go straight for your femoral artery."


Thanks PBL! Am hoping I won't need the epi but if I do, what's the dosage? Intracardial? I don't want this to turn into the scene from Pulp Fiction.

 

[PlaidJaguar]

I sedate my scaredy kitty with Benadryl before we go to the vet, as she believes that all cars are delivering her to a drawn out and painful death. Perhaps that may help dogthing? Just make sure you get regular Benadryl and not the kind with acetaminophen added in. I nearly made that mistake once. :0.0:

 

[Wadew]

In the past I have applied the ivermectin to the nape of the neck like a spot on flea treatment. It will be absorbed through the skin. My bulldog would not tolerate a squirt in the mouth more than once I can attest to that! I could not begin to imagine what it would taste like.

-Wade

 

[pitbulllady]

I checked on dogthing today and found him all chipper and cheerful. (Chipper means what?) His coat was very sleek and healthy looking which I complimented him on. Then I got near the step the dog shampoo was sitting on. He walked to the far end of the porch, turned, and gave me -The Stare-. -The Stare- in an animal is a strange thing. It expresses sentiments eloquently in complete silence. Many people have commonly been exposed to -The Stare- from their cat: 'Hey! Fill my water dish! Have you any idea how hard it is to drink from the toilet without falling in?'

Dogthing's communication, that emotionless yellow eyed make-a-basilisk-envious stare was easily understood to wit:

"Let me bring you up to speed arsehole. I'm trying to make a little progress with the local ladies which, I would mention, are few and far between around these parts. You aren't making this any easier when I'm smelling like the EPA Superfund site behind MaryKay Cosmetics and the nearest canine parfumery is the dairy farm a kilometer away across the river. So consider yourself warned; reach for that bottle of suds again and I might go straight for your femoral artery."


Thanks PBL! Am hoping I won't need the epi but if I do, what's the dosage? Intracardial? I don't want this to turn into the scene from Pulp Fiction.

Here's a great site with dog dosages for various meds, by weight, including Epinephrine. If you have dogs, or A dog, it would probably be a good idea to bookmark it, so here 'tis: http://www.vin.com/apputil/document/default.aspx?id=2989954&said=2&redirectedfromstatichtml=1 . Epinephrine is normally given IM, though in extreme urgent cases, it is given IV. I've only had to use it on a dog once, on an APBT that had a reaction to a routine vaccine, and an IM injection turned that situation around quickly.

pitbulllady

---------- Post added 09-30-2013 at 01:15 PM ----------

I sedate my scaredy kitty with Benadryl before we go to the vet, as she believes that all cars are delivering her to a drawn out and painful death. Perhaps that may help dogthing? Just make sure you get regular Benadryl and not the kind with acetaminophen added in. I nearly made that mistake once. :0.0:

Benadryl has little effect on dogs. It's OK for mild allergies, but unlike with humans and cats, it doesn't have a sedative effect on dogs. I tried that on a couple of very hyper show dogs that I had, and if anything, I actually think it made the situation worse. I had a very hyper APBT that I was showing in UKC, and he'd get so excited that he'd actually hyperventilate and pass out! He was like an ADD/ADHD kid turned loose in a Toys R Us after eating a pound of sugar cookies and candy. I actually gave him FIVE Benadryls at once, with no observable effect on his excitable behavior at all. BEER, on the other hand, is a very effective canine sedative. Most dogs will willingly consume beer in ridiculous amounts if given a chance, too. Back when I had wolves, I had one female wolf escape from her pen and she wouldn't let me get my hands on her. She'd come right up to me, then dance away when I reached for her, like this was a game. She was too wary to consume food with pills stashed in them. I called my exotic animal vet, an old country "cow vet", and he suggested that instead of using risky controlled meds to try to slow her down, to get something much more available: a six-pack of cheap beer, preferably a malt liquor, and pour it into a container, and put it out where the wolf would find it. I did, and she happily slurped down the entire six-pack in just a few minutes. All I had to do was wait for the alcohol to do its thing, then lead, carry and drag a happy, sloppy-drunk wolf back to the repaired pen and leave her to sleep it off! That's something to keep in mind if you need to calm a dog down, but if you're going to be driving anywhere with said dog, do keep in mind the possibility that the beer can have the same other side effects that it has with people, increased bladder output and nausea.

pitbulllady

 

[PlaidJaguar]

Please don't give your dog beer, it could kill him.

http://www.vetinfo.com/alcohol-poisoning-dogs.html#b

I picked a link at random to post, but there are MANY sources citing the high danger of alcohol poisoning in dogs.

My vet prescribes Benadryl as a light sedative and it does work for my animals, although it takes a higher dose than what is required for allergy treatment.

 

[The Snark]

Well folks, I don't claim to know anything about the physiology of animals. However I understand that the BAC for some animals is toxic at a far lower level than for humans and it can induce seizures and trigger epileptic episodes. On the other hoof there are few drugs on the market today that have more side effects, allergic and other adverse reactions than diphenhydramine. Kerzots

 

[hearsemadam]

there are 2 types of mange - sarcoptic and demodex. sarcoptic manifests itself with initial itching when the animal is petted, followed by hair loss around eyes, tips of ears and legs. sarcoptic is relatively easy to treat and cure but is contagious to other animals and people. the treatment is Ivermectin injection or to make it easier, Revolution (prescription flea topical) applied, the animal quarantined and for severe cases, sulphur lime dip baths weekly.

demodex is an immune disorder and treatment involves providing a minimal stress environment, Ivermectin given by mouth weekly and baths with a tar shampoo. this type of mange may never clear and isnt generally itchy, however the animal has large red patches and hair loss.

either type of mange can only be confirmed by skin scraping and many times these show no mites. treat anyway.

keep in mind Ivermectin is given based on exact weight of the animal to calculate proper dosage.

 

[The Snark]

This whole thing brings back very sad memories for me. My Akita, Gall, had Demodetic and Sarcoptic mange. His clockspring tail drove him nuts as it brushed his back worsening the symptoms. By then half bald, in early 1981 I gave in and put him to sleep. Later that year the avermectins were discovered and became widely available.

 

[The Snark]

Oopdate

Dogthings coat has never looked better. In fact it's along the lines of a healthy malamute who's been taking dips among the icebergs. A sheen, that self grooming oil and the dandruff flakes are gone. The ants and other small insects are also few and far between near where he hangs out. So this morning I gave him take 2 of the chemical soup and left an itty bitty amount of the soap around his ears and as a collar. What is delightful is the stoic coming out ala Akita. Once resigned to it's fate it stands there like a statue placing it's absolute trust in you.

Next is the Ivermectrin. I'm going to give it about 5 days after this shampoo job and if the itching is unabated I'm going to try one drop doses several times a day between the ears. If the itching diminishes I'll continue for a couple of weeks. If it remains the same, I'm thinking of giving him a 1/2 cc loading dose subQ and see what that does. My attitude is Ivermectrin, as all powerful substances with biocidal capabilities and potential reactions, is best used in test dosages as minimally as possible. The mange isn't going to kill him but that crap just might, or cause debilitation down the road.

Suggestions?

 

[PlaidJaguar]

Leaving shampoo residue usually causes itching. Now obviously I've never used this particular chemical mix to wash a dog, so YMMV, but in general if a dog is itchy post- groom it means the groomer didn't rinse well enough. The rule of thumb is to rinse until every last bit of shampoo is gone, and then rinse again.

Glad your dog's coat is looking better. I do hope the skin clears up too!

 

[The Snark]

Thanks! I'm watching him very carefully. My hope is the analgesics in the shampoo will offset the irritants while the mix in general is making him undesirable to being munched by an assortment of bugs. So far this has been the case. He is biting and scratching a lot less.