Question: What to do if a tarantula loses 1 or 2 fangs from a molt & how to tell if it lost them

Pokezilla1231

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Hi! I was talking to some friends today about T's in general and one of them asked what happens and how do you tell if a Tarantula lost its fangs during a molt. And I said I don't know. I figured I'd ask everyone what happens and how to tell if it lost its fangs during a molt.

Thanks!
 

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Hi! I was talking to some friends today about T's in general and one of them asked what happens and how do you tell if a Tarantula lost its fangs during a molt. And I said I don't know. I figured I'd ask everyone what happens and how to tell if it lost its fangs during a molt.

Thanks!
Well if you can get an under side view of the T, the fangs are very apparent even in slings. I think its pretty rare for just the fang to get lost, the whole chelicera would probably pop off. As for having no fangs, you might have to resort to feeding it roach/cricket soup, I know this sometimes works for T's in really bad condition so they can get their energy back to be able to hunt. I actually have met someone who had a de-fanged T and this is what they pretty much did for the T, the fangs only inject venom and mash up the food, the T still has a mouth that sucks up the liquid.
 

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Well if you can get an under side view of the T, the fangs are very apparent even in slings. I think its pretty rare for just the fang to get lost, the whole chelicera would probably pop off. As for having no fangs, you might have to resort to feeding it roach/cricket soup, I know this sometimes works for T's in really bad condition so they can get their energy back to be able to hunt. I actually have met someone who had a de-fanged T and this is what they pretty much did for the T, the fangs only inject venom and mash up the food, the T still has a mouth that sucks up the liquid.
What do you mean by apparent? I mean my OBT sling; I also believe it is not a sling anymore because I believe it is now 3", just molted on Saturday March 22 and I see something red I believe and hope that is the fangs hardening. I shine the light where the fangs are and when I move it back and forth I see a glare or something lol. Does that mean it has its fangs? And thanks for answering the question!
 
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Hi! I was talking to some friends today about T's in general and one of them asked what happens and how do you tell if a Tarantula lost its fangs during a molt. And I said I don't know. I figured I'd ask everyone what happens and how to tell if it lost its fangs during a molt.

Thanks!
This begs the question "Have you ever observed a Ts fangs in any way?" If so, then you use your visual system to observe. It sounds quite complicated, but it really isn't.
 

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I indeed have observed the fangs. I try not to sound like a complete idiot so I apologizes if I did.
This is why I rarely post questions people, I try not to sound like an idiot.
I'm sorry, I'm going through some hard times, I am depressed and really stressed. I just asked a question and I was looking for answers. I hate it when people say things like viper69 said. I minus well delete this.
 
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I indeed have observed the fangs. I try not to sound like a complete idiot so I apologizes if I did.
This is why I rarely post questions people, I try not to sound like an idiot.
I'm sorry, I'm going through some hard times and I am really stressed. I just asked a question and I was looking for answers. I minus well delete this.
apparent means obvious and easy to see, I can pick out them pretty easy because they tend to have bright orange hair around them in certain species and I know what I'm looking for. An OBT's fangs are rather large and black, which contrast nicely with its color.
 

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apparent means obvious and easy to see, I can pick out them pretty easy because they tend to have bright orange hair around them in certain species and I know what I'm looking for. An OBT's fangs are rather large and black, which contrast nicely with its color.
Yeah thats what I thought. This was the answer I was looking for lol. Thank you so much awiec!
 

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I indeed have observed the fangs. I try not to sound like a complete idiot so I apologizes if I did.
This is why I rarely post questions people, I try not to sound like an idiot.
I'm sorry, I'm going through some hard times, I am depressed and really stressed. I just asked a question and I was looking for answers. I hate it when people say things like viper69 said. I minus well delete this.

Poke, don't take it personally. I'm definitely guilty of leaving out VITAL information, in fact, I do it frequently. Which is why my posts have so many EDITS hahaha

Remember, what you type, is exactly the way the reader may take it. I won't write a variety of answers to a question because that means spending a lot of time assuming the many possibilities of the writer's intention, generally speaking

When I read your question, I was going to write an answer, but what good would an answer do, if you haven't actually observed fangs before. I know people who haven't observed obvious external body parts or physical traits of Ts, MYSELF included. It's only obvious if you know it I think, esp with exotic animals.


Just be more specific that's all man! And despite being depressed, remember your Ts are relying on you to take care of them. You are their world, even if they don't act it :D


The easiest way for us to see them is either when the T is feeding because they are being moved around a lot, OR if the T goes VERTICAL. That's the best way to get an underneath view. Remember, white fangs are freshly molted, then progressing to a reddish black (at least with my Ts), and then black (ready to eat dinner).

In certain species the hairs will be red, making it difficult to discern between the fang's reddish/black phase and black phase. In those case a few more days or more (depending upon the size of the T) should be OK to see.

Lastly, the other time that is good to view fangs is when Ts clean themselves, ESP after eating when the bolus is dropped off!
 

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Poke, don't take it personally. I'm definitely guilty of leaving out VITAL information, in fact, I do it frequently. Which is why my posts have so many EDITS hahaha

Remember, what you type, is exactly the way the reader may take it. I won't write a variety of answers to a question because that means spending a lot of time assuming the many possibilities of the writer's intention, generally speaking

When I read your question, I was going to write an answer, but what good would an answer do, if you haven't actually observed fangs before. I know people who haven't observed obvious external body parts or physical traits of Ts, MYSELF included. It's only obvious if you know it I think, esp with exotic animals.


Just be more specific that's all man! And despite being depressed, remember your Ts are relying on you to take care of them. You are their world, even if they don't act it :D


The easiest way for us to see them is either when the T is feeding because they are being moved around a lot, OR if the T goes VERTICAL. That's the best way to get an underneath view. Remember, white fangs are freshly molted, then progressing to a reddish black (at least with my Ts), and then black (ready to eat dinner).

In certain species the hairs will be red, making it difficult to discern between the fang's reddish/black phase and black phase. In those case a few more days or more (depending upon the size of the T) should be OK to see.

Lastly, the other time that is good to view fangs is when Ts clean themselves, ESP after eating when the bolus is dropped off!
No worries, I didn't really take it personally, I was just overreacting lol! I apologize for overreacting. And you're right I need to be specific and my T's are relying for me to take care of them! You are so right. And yeah white = freshly molted, reddish/black = almost ready, and black = time to eat. And since it is like red/orange around the OBT's mouth it is hard to determine the red/black phase. You are also right about me looking at the parts the other parts of the T especially around the fangs. Also when the OBT cleans itself I can't see the fangs because it is far back in its hide and I can only see the legs. But I will keep an eye out. Thanks viper69! Once again sorry if it seemed like I took it personally no hard feelings right?
 
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So true lol! The funniest feeding I ever witnessed was a big fat and when I say fat I mean a fat cricket to my Pinktoe and the cricket didn't even struggle but when it did It only moved the two front legs lol XD! It actually took an hour until the Pinktoe was finished eating lol! Well I have to go bye viper69!
 

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I have a t strimi who looks like she either lost her fangs during her molt or they didn't come in :( she's a rescue and the first time she molted her molt took 18 hours and she was on her back. This time she's molting on her stomach and it appears her fangs aren't there (no white fangs at all)... I'm concerned for her. She is still in the process of molting... My question is if they are in fact not there (won't know for sure until she's entirely finished molting) will they come back with her next molt? Also she normally eats one mouse once to twice a month so if i was to make the cockroach/cricket soup, how many do you think I should do? Should I do a small amount more often in the month or try to make a big pot so to speak and keep her on the same schedule... Thank you for any answers...

Gratefully,
A very concerned spider mama
 

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I have a t strimi who looks like she either lost her fangs during her molt or they didn't come in :( she's a rescue and the first time she molted her molt took 18 hours and she was on her back. This time she's molting on her stomach and it appears her fangs aren't there (no white fangs at all)... I'm concerned for her. She is still in the process of molting... My question is if they are in fact not there (won't know for sure until she's entirely finished molting) will they come back with her next molt? Also she normally eats one mouse once to twice a month so if i was to make the cockroach/cricket soup, how many do you think I should do? Should I do a small amount more often in the month or try to make a big pot so to speak and keep her on the same schedule... Thank you for any answers...

Gratefully,
A very concerned spider mama
What is her size? For now let her finish moulting in peace. It is a bit concerning she is moulting belly down, but there's nothing you can do right now. If she indeed lost her fangs, give her as big meals as you can, to possibly fasten her to next moult. They will come back, yes.
 

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What is her size? For now let her finish moulting in peace. It is a bit concerning she is moulting belly down, but there's nothing you can do right now. If she indeed lost her fangs, give her as big meals as you can, to possibly fasten her to next moult. They will come back, yes.
She with legs extended is about 12 inches. She fully covers a dinner plate. She's approximately almost five years old. And we've been leaving her alone. Just taking pictures to get advice from my tarantula group... I was reading I can make her like a cricket soup. She was eating mice once to twice a month, but I just can't cut up a mouse and blend it. So I plan on making her a nice cricket and maybe cockroach stew when she hardens... should I mix the insects with water to make them a little soupier?
 

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First off, go ahead and stop feeding her mice. No tarantula needs to eat a mouse, either for nutritional value or size. Two mice per month is a ridiculous amount of food for a tarantula - definitely up there with the most I've heard a tarantula even taking. A mouse can fight back, the bolus fosters rot and mites, and your tarantula gains nothing from it. Stick to crickets or roaches.

Unfortunately, that first picture does not look good at all. I've never seen something like that before. Those strands of goo coming from the fangs can't be good, I worry that the new fangs got left behind in the exuvia. There is a bit of fluid that leaks out when they molt, but it's nothing like that. For reference, here is my adult female T. stirmi in a very similar pose:
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There is a phenomena called a wet molt, but I don't even think that's what this is. If she did indeed lose both fangs, your only option is to give her insect soup until the next molt. Ensure she has a full clean water dish at all times. If I'm right and she lost those fangs, she's going to be dehydrated... even moreso than after a normal molt.

At this point, I'm sure she's out. Is she leaking anywhere, especially around the fangs? Can you see if she has fangs at all?
 

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Agreed with above post, it looks like fangs stuck in moult and hemolymph is bleeding out. Keep her well hydrated for start, and offer her roach soup in around 3 weeks when she fully hardens. We can only hope for best right now
 
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