Question about H.schmidti

[SanDomingo]

Hi.

I am just newcomer and I don't know about tarantulas that much.
I just have my cute T.blondi/Cyriopagopus sp/Brazilian pink(?-kind of pamphobeteus)/H.hercules/Pterinochilus murinus(green form) and SSS(centipide)

So, recently I have a chance to get a 'H.schimidti'(Adult female):razz:

I just want to know that does these species eat well(from crickets to mouses)active..things like that

please reply :>

 

[butch4skin]

They grow rather quickly, as do many tropical sp., so I'd say that in general, yes, they are probably good eaters. Mine certainly are. They get quite large, 8" or so. As far as being active, well, they are active diggers, but basically a pet hole. Pretty antisocial. Though, like most pet holes, if you are tactful you can probably catch them prowling around at night. Mine actually sit out of their burrows quite a bit until disturbed, and almost always feed at the mouth of their burrows. Adults are beautiful. I enjoy mine and will probably always keep at least one. To increase visibility you can use a tank and begin a burrow next to the glass, which the T may continue.

 

[butch4skin]

Oh, and not to be a smartass or anything, but that H. hercules ain't no H. hercules.

And please do post a pic of that P. murinus "green form". Never heard of it, but sounds slick.

 

[SanDomingo]

Ah.Thanks

Oh, and not to be a smartass or anything, but that H. hercules ain't no H. hercules.

And please do post a pic of that P. murinus "green form". Never heard of it, but sounds slick.

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About six month previous. I got a murinus'green form' from shop
But it doesn't seem a 'green form'. It is just little darker than normal
murinus(Actually, I don't live in america or place like that)

and thanks about that hercules one. so, are their genus changed or something? or did I just wrote wrong

 

[butch4skin]

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About six month previous. I got a murinus'green form' from shop
But it doesn't seem a 'green form'. It is just little darker than normal
murinus(Actually, I don't live in america or place like that)

and thanks about that hercules one. so, are their genus changed or something? or did I just wrote wrong

As far as I know, H. hercules is still a valid sp., but rumor has it that they never have existed in captivity, not in Europe, America, or anywhere else. Supposedly the only known specimen available to science and whatnot is swimming in alcohol in some British museum. In the past, and even to this day, unscrupulous or just plain ignorant breeders still sell Hysterocrates sp. slings as H. hercules, but they are almost certainly gigas, crassipes, some other sp., or some kind of heinous hybrid. Captive breeding of this genus has thus far been fairly irresponsible, and many believe that the vast majority of CB animals are hybrids. Basically, who knows what you have? If it has thickened tibia on leg 4, it ain't hercules, but if it doesn't, it still probably ain't hercules.

 

[spiders4life]

Taken from Platnick world spider catalog:
Hysterocrates.
f hercules Pocock, 1899....................Nigeria
H. h. Pocock, 1899e: 844 (Df).
H. h. Smith, 1990c: 36, f. 134-141 (f).
H. h. Peters, 1998: 77, f. 197 (f).
H. h. Peters, 2000b: 32, f. 70 (f).

I got one, and know several others in Denmark, who has this species:? !!

 

[butch4skin]

Taken from Platnick world spider catalog:
Hysterocrates.
f hercules Pocock, 1899....................Nigeria
H. h. Pocock, 1899e: 844 (Df).
H. h. Smith, 1990c: 36, f. 134-141 (f).
H. h. Peters, 1998: 77, f. 197 (f).
H. h. Peters, 2000b: 32, f. 70 (f).

I got one, and know several others in Denmark, who has this species:? !!

All I know is what I hear. How large is it? Does it have swollen leg 4 tibia? Can you post a pic?

 

[spiders4life]

its sub-adult, and fits all the discriptions of the species, with no thickened parts on its legs. My specimen is wc, in Nigeria, so ill be damned if im not right, saying it is a hercules.

 

[SanDomingo]

so..this is my pet

All I know is what I hear. How large is it? Does it have swollen leg 4 tibia? Can you post a pic?

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It may mean that this pet is not a hercules but gigas or something else
I just want to see pictures of H.sp

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hello!

H. schmidti is one of the biggest and nicest of the asiatic fauna theraphosid, so, congrats and good luck to keep it!
One thing should be avoided keeoing it - high temperatures - they can kill Your taranrula.
Here's the info I've rote for some long time ago, so sorry if the links are broken.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Haplopelma schmidti von Wirth, 1991 (Golden Earth Tiger)

Origin: Northern Vietnam (Southern China - Guangxi province)
Adult size: 7-8 cm BL, over 20 in LS
Humidity: 80-90
Temp: 22-24°С
Lifestyle: burrowing

Description: This is by far one of the most expressive Asian tarantulas! The largest from his con-geners and maybe all Asian terrestrials, this heavily-bodied with different shades of golden-yellow coloration spider (depending on color form) is the real beast!

It requires a rather spacious terrarium and a thick layer of substratum for establishing a burrow. It is very important to avoid overheating the enclosure! Room temperature or even lower is much preferable for this species.

In nature at the Tam-Dao (Northern Vietnamese studied population) H. schmidti excavates not deep burrows in clay soil slopes on the very humid forest areas at the higher elevations, where at the cool period the night temperatures drop down to zero level. Females found with cocoon at the middle of summer months to late autumn.

Spiderling (usually not much then 180-200 from one eggsac) emerges of surprisingly large size (1 cm in LS), feeding very well and grows fast. Females reach maturity to 2 years old, males – even earlier.
You must be very attentive being maintain them – they’re extremely fast and if escapes do not survive for a long time – dehydration is one of the main its “enemy”.
Very interesting feature of this particular tarantula is a maternal care, rarely seen and recorded among theraphosids in nature: female not only defend the offsprings but also feed them with pre-killed prey (E. Rybaltovsky, 2002).

There’re two main color forms have been known for this species: “light (or gold)” and “dark” clearly separated by the coloration – the “gold” one is overall yellow-golden-brown and the “dark” – have some yellow hairs on the dark overall coloration.

There is another one color form can be also determined by pet-trade – the “black”. This is considering the spider, named as Haplopelma hainanum (firstly described as Ornithoctonus hainana by Chinese arachnologists) as provided with modern study (Volker von Wirth, 2005) seems so the synonymy names. At the same time another one Chinese phantom-species - Haplopelma huwenum (formerly Selenocosmia huwena) has also primarily been considering the same species as H. schmidti (http://tarantulas.tropica.ru/en/node/621 – taxonomy news 2005).

It is a must species in collection for every Asian-tarantulas lover, but at the same time be warned - this is very aggressive and fast spider, has a very painful bite and must be kept by keeper, who has an experience, not a beginner.


Ref.
1. WWW
1. http://www.arachnophilia.de/index.php?action=art&id=29 – info in German
2. http://www.star-reptiles.dk/galleri/s010/index.asp - some photos
3. http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/hschmidti.htm - Leon Lane’s page
4. http://arachnea.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=245 – info in Poland
5. http://spiderpharm.com/Selhuwena.htm - info of Haplopelma huwenum (poss. syn n.)
6. http://www.spiderpix.com/tarantulas/Haplopelma_schmidti-01.htm - photos

2. Literature
1. VON WIRTH, V. (1991): Eine neue Vogelspinnenart aus Vietnam Haplopelma schmidti sp. n. (Araneae: Theraphosidae: Ornithoctoninae). Arachnol. Anz. 18: 6-11.
2. VON WIRTH, V. & M. HUBER. (2002): Einige Praxis-Tipps zur Haltung von Haplopelma Arten und anderen Röhren bewohnenden Vogelspinnen. DeArGe Mitteilungen 7(11): 14-23- online: http://www.dearge.de/arachne/doc/2002_11_7.pdf
3. VON WIRTH, V. & M. HUBER. (2003): Earth Tigers – die asiatischen Vogelspinnen der Unterfamilie Ornithoctoninae. DRACO 4(16): 26-36.
4. VON WIRTH, V. & M. HUBER. 2004. Housing specimens of Haplopelma and other tube-dwelling tarantulas. Journal of the British Tarantula Society 19(4): 107-112
5. G. Schmidt. Ist Haplopelma schmidti die erste aus Vietnam beschriebene Vogelspinnenart? Zu dem Beitrag von Volker v. Wirth, Arachnol. Anz. 18: 6-11. Arachnologischer anzeiger No, 19:11 (1991)
6. F. Kovarik. The aggressive spider Haplopelma schmidti. Akvarium Terarium, 40:41-43 (1997)
7. H. J. Peters. (1999). [Is Selenocosmia huwena Wang, Peng & Xie, 1993, which features in Chinese spider venom research really a Selenocosmia or a Haplopelma schmidti von Wirth 1991?].
8. Rybaltovsky, E. (2002) Vietnamskiy pticeed [The Vietnamese Tarantula]. Russian “Aquarium” Mag. No. 6: 36-39
9. VON WIRTH, V. & B. F. STRIFFLER (2005a): Neue Erkenntnisse zur Vogelspinnen - Unterfamilie Ornithoctoninae, mit Beschreibung von Ornithoctonus aureotibialis sp. n. und Haplopelma longipes sp. n. (Araneae, Theraphosidae). ARTHROPODA 13(2) – online: http://www.striffler.net/papers/von...octonus_aureotibialis&Haplopelma_longipes.pdf

The text (c) by Mikhail F. Bagaturov
www.tarantulas.tropica.ru
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[SanDomingo]

Hello!

H. schmidti is one of the biggest and nicest of the asiatic fauna theraphosid, so, congrats and good luck to keep it!
One thing should be avoided keeoing it - high temperatures - they can kill Your taranrula.
Here's the info I've rote for some long time ago, so sorry if the links are broken.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Thanks!. It really helps me.

I have a chance to get a gold one(Golden earth tiger)
or Black one(Black earth tiger/GET dark form)

Again, thanks.

 

[Lorgakor]

Awesome info Mikhail, I didn't know that they prefer lower temperatures.

I have one juvie gold form right now, they are a great spider. Thankfully mine spends alot of time out of its burrow waiting for food so I get to see it alot. I think it may be a male, but I've been surprised by the slow growth rate. I had another one before, a little bigger, and it didn't grow all that fast either.

 

[butch4skin]

Mine hang outside of their respective burrows much more often than other obligate burrowers I have or have had in the past(H. gigas, C. crawshayi, C. fimbriatus, Pterinochilus and Ceratogyrus sp.), or are simply less inclined to shoot back to the burrow and the slightest disturbance. Either way, I see them everyday, basically, and they always feed outside of the burrow.

 

[LimaMikeSquared]

My H.Schmidti never comes out of her burrow, she also seems to know when I'm watching and waits till I'm gone to whizz up and scoop up dinner before I get back. I only see her because she has burrowed completely against the glass.