Putnam Jumper Male or Female?

[LadyShia77]

Hello again. I think I've posted about this little guy before, but not completely sure. I'm trying to figure out if this little guy is a male or female. I'm leaning towards male, but not completely certain. Hopefully, the pictures are clear enough to tell. This little guy isn't the easiest to take pictures of lol (he/she loves sitting at the part of their enclosure where there's a crease) and my phone being finicky with lighting doesn't help. Let me know what you guys think.

 

[Nicole C G]

Hello again. I think I've posted about this little guy before, but not completely sure. I'm trying to figure out if this little guy is a male or female. I'm leaning towards male, but not completely certain. Hopefully, the pictures are clear enough to tell. This little guy isn't the easiest to take pictures of lol (he/she loves sitting at the part of their enclosure where there's a crease) and my phone being finicky with lighting doesn't help. Let me know what you guys think.

I think it’s still a juvenile

 

[LadyShia77]

I think it’s still a juvenile

That's good to know. That means I have a little longer with this guy. He/she is so fun to watch. Especially when catching fruit flies. I just lost my peppered jumper and didn't realize she was as far advanced in age as she was.

 

[LadyShia77]

Little update on my putnam jumper. He/she, I believe, has recently molted (and thankfully survived having its cup enclosure knocked off the kitchen table by my 5 year old). Wondering if it's old/big enough now to be able to tell whether male or female. He/she has also been moved to a new and much improved enclosure where I am able to get better pics. The pictures still might be a little blurry as Sprite kept moving and my phone is still temperamental. He/she is munching on fruit flies in some of the pics. Let me know what you guys think.

 

[Nicole C G]

Little update on my putnam jumper. He/she, I believe, has recently molted (and thankfully survived having its cup enclosure knocked off the kitchen table by my 5 year old). Wondering if it's old/big enough now to be able to tell whether male or female. He/she has also been moved to a new and much improved enclosure where I am able to get better pics. The pictures still might be a little blurry as Sprite kept moving and my phone is still temperamental. He/she is munching on fruit flies in some of the pics. Let me know what you guys think.

Not sure if it’s an adult yet though, so could be wrong. But so far looks female.

 

[LadyShia77]

Not sure if it’s an adult yet though, so could be wrong. But so far looks female.

I was thinking maybe sub-adult from looking at pictures of adults online. I could be wrong though. lol

 

[CRX]

This is a P audax. Pretty obvious, at least to me IMO. It has the classic smiley face pattern on its butt.

EDIT: wait, I am confused. There is two clearly different jumpers in this thread. The spider OP posted is a clear P audax. The other one is a different species. I;m confused..

 

[CRX]

This is what I mean when I say smiley face markings. AFAIK, only two jumper species P audax and P regius have these markings, so the spider in the first post has to be one of those two. Some current pics of the spiders butt markings would help, the markings matter more, the underside doesn't really mean sh*t as to species.

 

[Nicole C G]

Wait, I am confused. There is two clearly different jumpers in this thread. The spider OP posted is a clear P audax. The other one is a different species. I;m confused..

This is what I mean when I say smiley face markings. AFAIK, only two jumper species P audax and P regius have these markings, so the spider in the first post has to be one of those two.
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Where in the world did you hear that Phidippus audax and regius are the only two species have that pattern? That is an extremely common pattern for Phidippus. it and similar can also can be on Phidippus carolinensis, Phidippus arizonensis, Phidippus comatus, Phidippus borealis, Phidippus californicus, Phidippus cruentus, Phidippus asotus, Phidippus bidentatus, Phidippus maddisoni, Phidippus albulatus, Phidippus adonis, Phidippus workmani, and Phidippus putnami. (not a complete list!!)

Some current pics of the spiders butt markings would help, the markings matter more, the underside doesn't really mean sh*t as to species.
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I agree that some more photos would be valuable. But saying that “the underside doesn’t mean [anything] as to species” is complete nonsense. first off, the user was likely showing that picture because it is helpful to show age and sex of a jumper. Not to identify the species. Second, the underside can be extremely helpful to identify to species. Take Colonus females for example. They can look very similar. But one look under the abdomen, boom. You can tell which species. (C. sylvanus vs C. puerpuerus specifically)

This is a P audax. Pretty obvious, at least to me IMO.

”Pretty obvious“ is a dangerous mentality to have when identifying. There is always a chance. A species you don’t know. A mistaken characteristic. Etc. it’s great to have confidence, don’t get me wrong. But please, be considerate.

I understand if you disagree with my identifications. Please, if you ever do, explain why. And I will explain as well.

 

[LadyShia77]

This is a P audax. Pretty obvious, at least to me IMO. It has the classic smiley face pattern on its butt.

EDIT: wait, I am confused. There is two clearly different jumpers in this thread. The spider OP posted is a clear P audax. The other one is a different species. I;m confused..

It's a putnam jumping spider. I have 3 p. audax adults (2 females and a male) and plenty of slings lol. They look nothing like this little guy. It's also the same spider throughout this thread. Just at different periods of growth.

 

[CRX]

@Nicole C G @LadyShia77 I was drunk sorry. I have no problem accepting being wrong, apologies lol

 

[LadyShia77]

@Nicole C G @LadyShia77 I was drunk sorry. I have no problem accepting being wrong, apologies lol

You're good. lol

 

[Jumping Arachnids]

I’m late but this a mature female Phidippus putnami, after her molt there is an epigynum visible.

 

[LadyShia77]

I’m late but this a mature female Phidippus putnami, after her molt there is an epigynum visible.

Yeah, I've found that out. She's been mature for a while. lol