Priontheca coronata coronata

Nir Avraham

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Priontheca coronata coronata. My favorite beetle species. Successfully breeding this species again, and we've got some freshly hatched adults...

And yes, if someone is interested, I have a big group for sale...
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Good to see your still active in the hobby @Nir Avraham! I super wish we could get these in the US; ah, the laments of the American beetle enthusiast!
How long do these typically live? More specifically, how long do the adult beetles typically live?

Thanks for sharing,

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Nir Avraham

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Good to see your still active in the hobby @Nir Avraham! I super wish we could get these in the US; ah, the laments of the American beetle enthusiast!
How long do these typically live? More specifically, how long do the adult beetles typically live?

Thanks for sharing,

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I’m still active. I down sized my collection, but I still got some cool stuff...
An adult beetle will leave for about 1.5-2 years.
 

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Priontheca coronata coronata. My favorite beetle species. Successfully breeding this species again, and we've got some freshly hatched adults...

And yes, if someone is interested, I have a big group for sale...
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Just curious, what exactly is your personal rearing methodology for these? How do you keep the larvae, what are the survival rates typically, and how do you keep the pupae? :) Humidity levels and temperatures, especially for the pupae would be much appreciated.
 

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Yeah, can we see a photo of a larva?..
How long is the larval development for you?
How did you solve the collapsing pupal chamber issue?

An adult beetle will leave for about 1.5-2 years.
In my experience, that's... really short for this species.
 

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How did you solve the collapsing pupal chamber issue?
In general, Tenebrionid pupal cells only collapse if the substrate isn't stable enough, or isn't humid enough... And honestly most species can be removed from their pupal cells in their pre-pupal state, placed on a compressed and smoothed out later of humid substrate, and then pupate and eclose just fine... Failure rates can be a bit higher that way, but not by much in my experience.

Also, regarding adult longevity, I notice that adult Tenebs kept in densely populated, reproducing colonies usually have their life expectancy cut in half, while individuals in relatively sparsely populated, larger enclosures that aren't technically optimal for breeding live far longer.
 
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All true, @Hisserdude. Only Prionotheca isn't your "general" tenebrionid. Think carefully why there is not a single photo of a larva or a pupa reared in captivity from this relatively common species within its distribution range.
 

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All true, @Hisserdude. Only Prionotheca isn't your "general" tenebrionid. Think carefully why there is not a single photo of a larva or a pupa reared in captivity from this relatively common species within its distribution range.
True true, still they may not actually be too difficult to breed, there are just very few serious Tenebrionid breeders out there, consider how few species are reared from larva to adult regularly in the hobby in any numbers, despite many easy to breed desert species being sold regularly as pets in the US... Even overseas, the interest in Tenebs is vastly overshadowed by interest in scarabs, and I rarely see people keeping this particular species. @Elytra and Antenna got offspring from his adults easily, way back when he kept them, unfortunately he lost his entire colony due to overwatering them.
 

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Unfortunately, it is VERY difficult to breed. I would even say extremely difficult.
Here's my take after trying to breed it at the university in the early 2000's: It is one of the only tenebrionids with a soft larva. I'm not gonna go into its diet, which is a headache in its own right. It's a sand dune species, so doesn't do well with humidity, which causes the collapse of the pupal chambers. Pupae die if kept outside. Of the few adults that emerge, most had issues that resulted in malformed or dented elytra. Don't forget we are talking about an "air-filled" beetle. Most of the elytral volume is just air. Adults that had a successful emergence were considerably small than their wild counterparts (no surprise here, and this can maybe explain why they had less issue in emerging - the elytral air bubble is smaller). Our beetles lived for 4-5 years easily, some even lived to 7 years. They still don't break the record held by Blaps wiedemanni of 10 years in captivity as adults.
 

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Unfortunately, it is VERY difficult to breed. I would even say extremely difficult.
Here's my take after trying to breed it at the university in the early 2000's: It is one of the only tenebrionids with a soft larva. I'm not gonna go into its diet, which is a headache in its own right. It's a sand dune species, so doesn't do well with humidity, which causes the collapse of the pupal chambers. Pupae die if kept outside. Of the few adults that emerge, most had issues that resulted in malformed or dented elytra. Don't forget we are talking about an "air-filled" beetle. Most of the elytral volume is just air. Adults that had a successful emergence were considerably small than their wild counterparts (no surprise here, and this can maybe explain why they had less issue in emerging - the elytral air bubble is smaller). Our beetles lived for 4-5 years easily, some even lived to 7 years. They still don't break the record held by Blaps wiedemanni of 10 years in captivity as adults.
I've bred several North American Pimellinae spp., so I'm familiar with the softer Tenebrionid larvae, which are the norm for that group, usually doesn't affect the husbandry that much, and oddly, some of them have proven even more dry hardy than some of the thicker shelled Eleodes spp, (though many of the Pimellinae have proven quite cannibalistic, if not outright predatory).
I've not heard of the diet being all that specific with this species, what is it they're supposed to feed on?
That sounds quite similar to issues presented by the largest of the Eleodes species in culture, where pre-pupae and pupae can have HUGE die offs due to excess substrate humidity, and like the substrate to be just barely humid... Takes a bit of work, but is an issue that is not too difficult to work around, and one I've dealt with in the past.
The issues with the freshly emerged adults' elytra is again, is almost certainly an issue with either too much or too little humidity in the pupal cell, similar to what you see with our largest US native, E.spinipes. An issue that gets less intense with each generation apparently.
 

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They are unlike anything you've ever seen before, definitely can't be compared to North American species. I wouldn't rush to lump them with other Pimellinae (and I have bred other members of this group).
But I like your conviction, @Hisserdude. I look forward to seeing your notes when you've successfully bred Prionotheca.
Still waiting for a response from the OP, who claims to breed them over several generations... (I'll even add a silent 'lol' here)
 
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Not gonna hijack this thread. If the OP is breeding them successfully he should be able to answer this.
 

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