Positive id on Hogna species?

jbooth

Arachnobaron
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I have 3 spiders I think are H. Carolinensis, based on jet black ventrals and striped legs(although the "male" lost most stripes this molt). And one spider I kinda think is H. frondicola. Everything I read tells me only one spider has a jet black ventral, carolinensis... Then I also looked up H. frondicola because I think I have one of those as well(on a sack), and it said that spider also has a black ventral(which mine does not)... Then I looked up H. coloradensis and cannot find a description or picture of the ventral, but the dorsal and laterals I saw resembled my brown ones... Is there anyone who is enough of an expert on these to tell me for sure what species they are, or at least clue me in to what coloradensis looks like, and frondicola as well? I have egg sacks from 2 of the spiders and I plan to breed the male and dark female but I don't want them to eat each other... Also, I would like to sell the babies perhaps, and I don't want to be wrong and look a fool later or screw someone over... I am in central Colorado, so I stuck with species some sites said lived here, but I also take that with a grain of salt.

The dark "female", my current profile pic...
dark_carolinensis.jpg

The one I think is male.. but is it mature? I've had it for 2 molts and this molt it looks male. The pedipalps look larger but not really swollen... It looked exactly like the next spider before the molt.
wolfid1.jpg

The 3rd one with the jet black ventral that was gravid...
wolfid2.jpg

And... The following 2 are the one I thought was frondicola, then I read something saying it too has a jet black ventral and this clearly doesn't....
I'm so confused :lol:. Thank you so much and I'm sorry if this has been done a million times. I really love these spiders and I'm trying to learn more.
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Occisor

Arachnopeon
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The first one is Hogna carolinensis and the 2nd is Hogna antelucana
 

jbooth

Arachnobaron
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The first one is Hogna carolinensis and the 2nd is Hogna antelucana
Ok, thank you, I will check that one out. Are you thinking the third also antelucana with the egg sack? And is it all Hogna that have the all black ventrals then? I'm guessing maybe so...
 
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