Portentosa X Oblongata

Matt K

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Will these cross? Are the offspring fertile?
There is always a chance that they can despite some differences in genitalia and I would assume they will if you housed them together. I have never allowed for hybrids to occurr in my own collection though it seems that some I have seen for sale appeared to be hybrids (or I read that someone had them)...

The offspring would be fertile.
 

BrianWI

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I cannot find suitable info on differences between species at all and George does not seem too talkative.

Do we KNOW anywhere that oblongata portentosa crosses have occurred?
 

mitchnast

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i womder if there is a reasonable way to manually fertilize a female.
you could probably come up with all kinds of hybrids if you could collect sperm from a courty male and physically apply it to the female with a dental tool or something (i guess you might have a moral dillemma.)
 

Matt K

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i womder if there is a reasonable way to manually fertilize a female.
you could probably come up with all kinds of hybrids if you could collect sperm from a courty male and physically apply it to the female with a dental tool or something (i guess you might have a moral dillemma.)

Are you looking for hybrids or do you want to make hybrids?

BTW- George has alot on his plate and time for him is very limited.
 

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I am looking to neither make nor find hybrids. I am simply hoping to sort thru the taxonomy. Could this require making "hybrids"? Perhaps. However, if I had information from others that tried it, I may be able to ascertain certain things without doing it.

The problem with research that is never presented to the public is that it makes that work irrelevant. Thats why I was hoping that instead those who had done it would be more forthcoming in emails, but the responses have not been provided. It could be lack of time or lack of desire or the wish not to be peer reviewd. In any case, its still hard to make progress if info is never shared :(
 

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I I am simply hoping to sort thru the taxonomy. .....
....The problem with research that is never presented to the public is that it makes that work irrelevant.
Problems:

Contradiction. If you have begun to sort it all out, then you would be aware that the whole taxon is in the process of being rewritten and has not officially been published yet- just a few preliminary papers. Thus you would know some of these things and that there is no way to sort through yet.

The research involved will be (and mostly is) available to the public, and there is no such thing as research that is irrelevant (though perhaps reiterative). As far as I know the only research that is "never presented to the public" is still in the hands of the governmental authorities that classified it in the first place....

Are you a student trying to work on a paper? Why would you even need to clarify the taxonomy? I would suggest in either case to make better use of your resources before complaining that they are unavailable.

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I have read what is available and it is generally poor and incomplete. That is often why I choose certain projects.

There are no real excuses for not sharing, I have articles published all over the world in various journals/ trade pubs, etc. I am unsure why others leave their work in the dark.

Where do you publish your results? I have asked, none have been supplied.
 

Matt K

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I have articles published all over the world in various journals/ trade pubs, etc. ...
In what field and under what name/pseudonym? Articles about what? We are talking roaches here, not plumbing fixtures.
 
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billopelma

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There are no real excuses for not sharing
What planet are you from?
Here there are many reasons not to prematurely disclose hard earned findings before work is ready to be published. Science and academia are highly competitive and there are evil forces at work out there...:eek:

Bill
 

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I have seen both spellings. More often, I have seen oblongata used. I will start using the correct term if that is the accepted one.


My field is genetics and the mathematics behind them. Lots of poultry (especially landraces from Oceania/southeast Asia and heritage breed restoration, mostly US). Some bovine work. Canine as well. Plus a few exotics and some work in hybrids. A sprinkling of population dynamics.

As for standard acadamia, its tiresome, yes. I prefer to publish ideas rather than sit on them as it opens up new avenues to pursue, lends itself to review, etc. Like the taxonomy issue, I saw posts in 2006 about the errors. As we near 2010, still kinda iffy, no? Poop or get off the pot, I say! Sometimes you get blasted for presenting new ideas (you see it here already), and I know it drives many people to stay quiet or even give up. Personally, I don't listen to those who already know it all and just push on. Wait till I post more on the idea of hybrids, some will likely freak out :)
 
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