pokie question

[looseyfur]

anyone know off the top of their head which pokie has the LEAST medically signifigent venom.


just wondering -

looseyfur

 

[phoenixxavierre]

Don't know about the venom, but I have heard that P. rufilata is the mellowest pokie as far as temperament. Hopefully someone knows the answer on the venom question.

Take care,

Paul

 

[deifiler]

I wouldn't be put off by the venom, if you really fear gettin bitten by one of these, simply don't buy spiders within this genus.

The venom effects are said to be worse than that of many other spiders, though still not medically significant enough to cause serious concern, in the majority of cases. I havn't been bitten myself though, so I'm not too qualified to say this.

On those lines, others may embellish the efftecs, or they may be mental effects due to the spiders reputation, not taking in mind LD50 rates or anything here by the way...

I've only the regalis as an adult, and two juveile ornatas. The regalis has shown a fair amount of "aggression" and a lot of the time without sufficient provocation (i.e. poked in the eyes with paint-brush)

My best advice is to aim to buy a spiderling or a juvenile, then adept to it from there. Give it respect and carry out caution around it.

 

[looseyfur]

My intent wasnt to avoid pokies just to see if anyone knew which it was that was the least "hot" so to speak. I give all spiders proper respects and there a a very very few I would not keep of which only 2 are pokies.

so still wondering ....


looseyfur

 

[MrDeranged]

While I've always heard that pokes are one of the "hot" genus, I have never actually heard of any testing done on if any of the species are "hotter" than any of the others.

Sorry I can't be of more help

Scott

 

[nemesis6sic6]

Hmm I wonder if any one is up to it

Well it could be done.

Get a large amount of fuzzys.

Get all the species of poecilotheria.

feed them at the same time.

see which fuzzy is kicking last.

take notes and try it again and again to make a conclution.

feel free to add to this.

any ways have a nice day

geo

 

[Phillip]

The problem with using mice as a test subject is that T venom works very well on mice where it does not on humans. Case in point drop a fuzzie in with a rosie and see how long it takes. It won't take any longer than with any other T. All Ts can make short work of mice.

Phil

 

[phoenixxavierre]

Don't they use mice for LD-50 scale?

Paul

 

[Steve Nunn]

Originally posted by phoenixxavierre
Don't they use mice for LD-50 scale?

Hi Paul,
They do indeed, that's why LD50 testing on spiders is a total waste of time, it gives no real indication of venom toxicity unless you are a mouse. It's been banned for a long time here in Oz as we didn't really care how well mice come through the test, we were more worried about humans

Cheers,
Steve

 

[phoenixxavierre]

Originally posted by Steve Nunn
Hi Paul,
They do indeed, that's why LD50 testing on spiders is a total waste of time, it gives no real indication of venom toxicity unless you are a mouse. It's been banned for a long time here in Oz as we didn't really care how well mice come through the test, we were more worried about humans

Cheers,
Steve

Hiya Steve,

I thought they used mice in LD-50 tests due to the similarity (yes, hard to comprehend) in physiology. Then they compare that amount of venom (that it took to kill a mouse) by use of a formula pound for pound to human mass? What do you feel is a good alternative testing method?

Best wishes,

Paul

 

[Code Monkey]

Yep, it's even been hypothesised that theraphosid venom may be adapted to affect rodent nervous systems since foraging mice have probably been on the menu of large Ts for as long there have been small furry animals (Small furry animals that might even gather together in caves, but are unlikely to have been grooving with a Pict.)

 

[phoenixxavierre]

Originally posted by Code Monkey
(Small furry animals that might even gather together in caves, but are unlikely to have been grooving with a Pict.)

lol!

 

[Steve Nunn]

Originally posted by phoenixxavierre
What do you feel is a good alternative testing method?

Smugglers () and murderers/rapists/child molesterers could give back to society and become test patients. At least we'd have a more accurate test.

No, I think with the amazing advances medical science is making we should lose the conception that stem cell research in general is ethically bad and start looking at the real benefits that could be made.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Phillip]

The LD-50 scale is a poor indicator of how venom will affect a human due to the ol mice drop dead from things that don't bother humans thing. I do find it an interesting scale but don't put too much faith in it's accuracy when regarding human envenomation.

Phil