Poison Dart Frogs (PICTURE THREAD)

[Twysted]

 

[TheDarkFinder]

You should not mix species, doing this is like tarantulas hybrids. If you do what to keep them together, please don't sell the young. Just toss the eggs.
thedakfinder

 

[Twysted]

You should not mix species, doing this is like tarantulas hybrids. If you do what to keep them together, please don't sell the young. Just toss the eggs.
thedakfinder

Yeah.. I knew that but when I got them I was told they wouldnt breed for another 6 months or so... so I figured I will just keep them all together for now, that gives me time to build another enclosure like that to seperate them..

 

[Thoth]

Nice enclosure (maybe it was worth the Great Stuff hassle. Has it come off yet?). Love the the "cobalt". How many pdfs do you have in there, just the 2?

 

[Twysted]

Nice enclosure (maybe it was worth the Great Stuff hassle. Has it come off yet?). Love the the "cobalt". How many pdfs do you have in there, just the 2?

hehe yea... the Great Stuff has mostly come off.. I still have it all over my finger nails but it was definatly worth it.. I am very happy with the setup.. that stuff is very brutal!!!

and no,.... I have 3 of each species... its a 35 gallon tank and they are all 6 months old...

 

[Stefan-V]

I was just wondering:
How do you keep the mold under control? With the water and all that.

Stefan-V

 

[roach dude]

what would be rong with creating a hybrid??

 

[Twysted]

I was just wondering:
How do you keep the mold under control? With the water and all that.

Stefan-V

The water is on the bottom... all the wood I used is driftwood and the dirt is just a very thin layer I silliconed onto the foam "Great Stuff" I also have good ventalation... so I dont actually have a molt problem..

 

[Twysted]

what would be rong with creating a hybrid??

If someone created hybrids and then started selling them as a true species then those people who bought them started breeding them thinking they were somthing they were not then sold those babies and so on and so forth then there would be mislabelled frogs all over the place and people would be getting mud blood frogs left right and center...

It is the same as tarantulas

the only hobby where is it sought after is snakes... the more rare and beautiful your morph the more the babies are worth.. they are just 2 diffrent worlds though... I mean noone would pay over $200 for a common ball python but when you take a piedball and cross it with an albino you can get $15,000 easily for those babies...

With tarantulas and frogs the hobbys want to stay true to nature and preserve the species's....

 

[roach dude]

ok right i was just wondering.

 

[Lasiodora]

I mean noone would pay over $200 for a common ball python but when you take a piedball and cross it with an albino you can get $15,000 easily for those babies...

Sorry this is off topic but, Piedball ball pythons, albino ball pythons, and regular patterned ball pythons are all the same species: Python regius. The morphs are genetic mutations within the species. When you cross a ball python (Python regius) to a borneo blood (Python breitensteini) then you have a hybrid. This because they are two distinct species. Oh and people will pay over $200-500 usd for normal adult female balls.

Back to topic:
D.auratus and D.auratus eggs

 

[TheDarkFinder]

what would be rong with creating a hybrid??

Like CharlesRieder said, but there is alot of crosses in the dart frog world. The problem with crossing them is that the traits go dormant for a long time. Then out of nowhere, yellow in a blue frog line, and since you do not know when the color is going to come up in that line it is hard to breed. The second reason is that dart frogs, D. azureus, D. tinctorius and D. pumilio fight and bully each other.

In saying that, he does have a large tank, they are young, and it is hard ot tell age with pictures.

Just make sure that they are all eating and no one is losing size. I prefer the shoebox method for all frogs until I can sex them.
thedakfinder.

 

[TheDarkFinder]

If someone created hybrids and then started selling them as a true species then those people who bought them started breeding them thinking they were somthing they were not then sold those babies and so on and so forth then there would be mislabelled frogs all over the place and people would be getting mud blood frogs left right and center...

It is the same as tarantulas

the only hobby where is it sought after is snakes... the more rare and beautiful your morph the more the babies are worth.. they are just 2 diffrent worlds though... I mean noone would pay over $200 for a common ball python but when you take a piedball and cross it with an albino you can get $15,000 easily for those babies...

With tarantulas and frogs the hobbys want to stay true to nature and preserve the species's....

Hybrids will come. As soon as the market opens up alittle more.
thedarkfinder

 

[Twysted]

Sorry this is off topic but, Piedball ball pythons, albino ball pythons, and regular patterned ball pythons are all the same species: Python regius. The morphs are genetic mutations within the species. When you cross a ball python (Python regius) to a borneo blood (Python breitensteini) then you have a hybrid. This because they are two distinct species. Oh and people will pay over $200-500 usd for normal adult female balls.

Back to topic:
D.auratus and D.auratus eggs

Well I've been told ;P

 

[Twysted]

do you guys know if they over eat??

I put like 50 1/8" crickets in there to make sure they all get food and noone is getting bullied but now I am worried that they might eat too much?? do they stop eating when they are full or is it possible to kill them this way??

 

[Aubrey Sidwell]

Well I am not sure about this with frogs but I know that alot of times hybridizing tarantulas end up producing sterile offspring. There have been a few hybrid successes that I have read about but all in all they really stop with the babies. I am not at all endorsing mixing tarantula species. For those of you that have a frog fetish and are concerned about it please take this one little note: Dogs and cats are the most popular pets in the United States and probably elsewhere in the world. Both animals have been cross bred for alot of years to produce what is available today. Demand will ultimately decide what happens with the little frogs and there will only be demand when successful cross-breeding produces an improved coloration result and/or attitude change never before seen. That would require alot of invested time through multiple hatches to determine if the cross breed will be fertile and reproduce with the same results or if they will be sterile or have birth defects. Just something to think about. The world is driven by continuous improvement and people's need/greed for money. Someone will do it and it will be accepted further down the road. If not by you then by scores of others wanting something no one else has ever had.

 

[tarsier]

In any case, nice set up and nice pdfs. :}

 

[Matthew]

Few pictures.

 

[Michael Jacobi]

some living jewels...

 

[Michael Jacobi]

two more terribilis shots