pesticides

[chuck]

i just found a roach in my bathroom, none of mine, something native to nyc, if my mom calls in the exterminator, is it safe for my Ts, any ideas on how to keep them safe?

 

[Immortal_sin]

no, it's NOT safe for your spiders at all. If she calls the exterminator, you need to find a safe place to keep your critters other than your house. I'm not sure how long either. Maybe the person on these boards that has his home sprayed can tell you. I forget who it is..

 

[chuck]

how about the common Raid?
i guess ill become the cockroach hunter ;P

 

[Immortal_sin]

while we were at the ATS conference, some of the attendees rooms were sprayed with Raid. Since then, at least 2 inverts have died, after acting sluggish and strange. I wouldn't chance it.

 

[chuck]

this is the other side of the house from the bathroom

 

[Satanika]

Hey Chuck,

If you want to take that chance, it is ultimately YOUR choice. Proper advice has been given to you, but you keep looking for a reason to be approved. I doubt anyone here will ......

Personally it is a risk that I would not take. Again, your choice.


Good Luck!


Debby

 

[chuck]

i am not trying to get approved, im trying to keep my Ts and somehow combat these pests, genuine concern anyone would have

 

[Henry Kane]

I wouldn't even consider it myself. Our T's, whether w/c or c/b have absolutely no immunity to pesticides. Worse yet, the common house roach most likely does. Chances are, if you spray you'll not only be risking your T's lives but you probably won't even phase the roaches. Trust that T's are VERY sensitive to pesticides, even trace amounts, and make your decision from there.

Atrax

 

[Henry Kane]

Originally posted by chuck
i am not trying to get approved, im trying to keep my Ts and somehow combat these pests, genuine concern anyone would have

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Best thing you could do is send your T's off somewhere else for a while. How long? I've never been in that situation so I could not say. A few weeks at least, maybe longer.

Atrax

 

[chuck]

do glue traps emit any pesticides? how about those feeder traps?

 

[Satanika]

Originally posted by chuck
do glue traps emit any pesticides? how about those feeder traps?

Those should be fine. You can even use the combat bait traps. Just stay away from the aerosol pesticide sprays.


Debby

 

[wayneo]

In our last apartment we had a horrible roach problem it didn't manifest its self until I was there for about 6 months. Everytime we bombed for bugs we took all our animals to my moms house and kept the there for a week before I took them back home. After doing this every 3 or so weeks for several months and fears of the pesticides affects on our unborn child we decided we had to move. It took us almost a whole month to move since me and my 5 month pregnant wife did almost all by ourselves. It didn't help I took apart every electronic device and sprayed it with canned air and what i couldn't take apart we threw out. We also washed every piece of clothing and removed the bottom of our furnitures to try and escape those foul beasts. At our new apartment we took every box and opened it in a empty room to make sure there no roaches.
After about a week in our new apartment there were a couple young roaches in glue traps we place around the apartment. At them same time we were going on a 3 week trip to the New England states and my mom took our cats, and I put all inverts and my snakes and put them in the center of the largest room and covered all the cages with seran wrap and sprayed the floorboards of every room with some bug spray. Mom was given instructions to not remove the wrap for at least 4 days . Thankfully there has only been on roach sighting about 3 or 4 days after our return.

My sugestion to you is to take your inverts to a friends for a couple weeks and take care of your roach problem as soon as you can before they take over and your place will resemble "Joe's Apartment" from the movie by the same title.

Sorry for making this so long.

Wayne "roach free" Huske

 

[xBurntBytheSunx]

let your T's run around the house for a while and maybe they'll take care of the cockroaches

 

[Code Monkey]

Well, I think you all are overreacting a bit. The poisons that PCOs use are strictly contact poison - fine, if your T gets out and makes contact with the area, or if your T ate a bug that had made contact with the poison, you might be in trouble, but there is no danger in having areas of your home where the Ts aren't kept treated by PCOs. My apartment is treated every 8 weeks like clockwork in the kitchen. I destroy any crickets found outside the T room that have escaped but that's the sum total of the precautions I take.

That said, the poisons used by PCOs are useless for controlling German cockroaches. You'll have far better luck using a combination of sticky traps and the slow acting bait stations which have hydramethylon as its active ingredient. That actually works.

If the problem is the American or Oriental cockroach then you have a water problem (or possibly roaches that travel up your drainpipe). Fix the water leak if there is one (they can only live in moist areas) and use the baits and sticky traps where you've seen them.

Raid can cause problems obviously because it's an aerosol spray which can linger/travel in the air for some time. Still, I've fogged my home with Ts in it and never had a problem. I first sealed everyone's tank with saran wrap, then shoved a moist towel around the gaps in the door to the room and fogged away, nobody got unsealed for 3 days (got to love slow metabolisms )

My recommendation is the sticky trap/hydramethylon route. It will pose no conceivable danger to your Ts unless you feed insects caught in your house and it's actually effective against roaches (PCO treatments for roaches is one of the bigger money pits in this country).

 

[MizM]

Unfortunately, as we increase our use of pesticides, the entire environment is getting an impact. Polar bears are dying off because the fish that the seals eat is poisoned. When the polar bears eat the seals, they get poisoned. Sperm counts in all kinds of mammals is declining due to the chemicals in their food. Each insect we poison that doesn't die becomes food for another animal, and carries residual chemicals from that insecticide. Roaches are becoming harder to kill, they are actually evolving to become more resistant to each new pesticide we introduce to them!

I am not a big environmentalist, but personally, I decline to use chemicals. There ARE other ways to get rid of these pests, try surfing the web, you'll be surprised at what you'll find! I would certainly TRY a non-chemical method before running out and buying the Raid!

I have set up my garden as a frog/toad haven, they have a teeny little pond, with dark, moist hiding places. You should see them in the evening, they hop out and immediately pork out on every insect in sight! I have purchased ladybugs and put them in my yard, they also eat insects!
When I lived in Hawaii, we had several geckos around the house, they kept us insect free. Which is TOUGH over there!!

Gee, it's too bad we couldn't set our Ts free to roam the house. Those cockroaches wouldn't last a second!!

(Good luck!)

 

[ines68]

I use to have some roachs in my house. I used Combat Roach Killing Gel and it work better than sprays.... and is safe for the Ts... Is the best product you can found in the market

 

[Inuleki]

Originally posted by Atrax
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Best thing you could do is send your T's off somewhere else for a while. How long? I've never been in that situation so I could not say. A few weeks at least, maybe longer.

Atrax

yeah, one of the few perks of living in Denver.... hardly any roaches at all... you normally have to be extremely messy to even have a single roach in your place....

 

[Jesse607]

First of all, is one or a few roaches a real problem or a perceived problem? Second of all, almost all PCO's nowadays use a fipronil or hydamethylnon bait, which only kills what ingests it. Roaches of any species have yet been shown to be able to develop resistance against these two bait active ingredients. Fipronil will kill a roach within 24 hours after ingestion, and hydramethlylnon within 48 hours. Sprays should, and usually are only used if there is a severe infestation, which means there are literally hundreds of roaches present.

 

[skinheaddave]

Chuck,

Find R.G. Breene a.k.a. Spider Bob. Ask him about pesticides.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[TheDon]

I know with pretty much all insects that when a new pesticide is introduced it kills about 90% of the population but the population that survives once they lay eggs their offspring grow immunities to the poison that was used on their parents. They dont necessarily grow 100% immunities but insects reproduce like mad such as the ant, cockroach and cricket. By the time you kill 90% of them off the 10% that survives starts reproducing and they produce a crap load more. Its kind of a infinite cycle, we talked about it in Science in Society back in highschool and i learned alot. Maybe newer chemicals have figured out a way so that the insects dont grow immunity but i know the cockroach is a very hard pest to get rid of. And as im sure most of you have read that if there was a nuclear war, the cockroaches and sewer rats would be the only things to survive. That i cant say is 100% true as I have only read it and saw it on TV. Anyways That is my take on the whole pesticide situation. I wouldnt use pesticides only because I wouldnt want to have to worry about anything bad happening to my T's but if that is what it comes to for you then that is your decision.

Peace

TheDon