Peruvian Order arrived. Pamphobeteus sp. Need ID.

[AbraxasComplex]

So after a year of trying to get permits for Pamphobeteus sp. from Peru they finally arrived.

He stated they were Pamphobeteus antinous and also sent 3 "suprise" spiderlings. I am not sure if they are spiderlings of the Pamphobeteus anitous or another species. He has not responded to my question.

Can you please help me id? I have pictures of an adult female, a juvenile, and one of the spiderlings.


Juvenile with red rump

Female beside a dime with red rump reduced. Some females have entirely black bodies, a few have some red left.

Spiderling... same species?

 

[Endagr8]

Nope. It's a Cyriocosmus ritae.

 

[AbraxasComplex]

Thanks.

How big are these full grown? Spread out they can fit on a quarter.

 

[Teal]

I don't have ANY clue on the ID... but I just wanted to say, that first T is gorgeous!

 

[bliss]

first pic: does not look like a pamphobeteus juvie i've ever seen, pampho juvies usually have the tiger/stripe pattern of abdominal hair.. not a full color coat.

pics of females: those don't look like P. antinous to me. they look more like Megaphobema velvetsoma. I am actually willing to bet that those really are M. velvetosoma...

bottom pics of sling: Cyriocosmus ritae. actually, that's not a sling. cyriocosmus are dwarf species so that one is probably a juvie or an adult.


I personally don't think any of those in the pics are Pamphobeteus.

 

[Koh_]

first pic: does not look like a pamphobeteus juvie i've ever seen, pampho juvies usually have the tiger/stripe pattern of abdominal hair.. not a full color coat.
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p.antinous doesn't have any patterns when they are young. that's what i know..
here is a pic of mine about 2.5" size.

do you see any patterns on it?

and when it was about 1-1.5"

no patterns.

 

[Satellite Rob]

The first picture is Thrixiopelma Ockerti-Peru Pink Rump.The way you can tell
is when it walks it will stick it's rump up in the air.It also has a bad attitude
problem.The second picture is Pamphobeteus Atinous.It hard to tell for sure
without a better picture of it's carapace.If you look at the spinnerets thay
will be extremely long.It's hard to tell when there small like that.But it probably
Cyrioscosmus Sellatus.Did you import these yourself or did you get these from
a guy in Hialeah Florida.If you got them from Hialeah then i'm 100% right on
my I.D.Because That guy is a friend of mine and I was there a couple of weeks
ago when he got the shipment.By the way I love the way the Thrixiopelma
Ockerti strut with there rump sticting straight up in the air.I've been seeing
a lot of Peru imports lately and there are 8 different T thats been coming in.

1 - Pamphobeteus Antinous
2 - Acanthoscurria Ferina
3 - Avicularia Urticans
4 - Tapinauchenius Species
5 - Holothelo Species
6 - Cyricosmusos Sellatus
7 - Thrixiopelma Ockerti
8 - I can't remember it right now.But if I do i'll edit this post.
9 - The occasional oddball that never sold until it's identified.But thay go to few local
T keepers.

 

[GoTerps]

I believe all your images before the Cyriocosmus are a Pamphobeteus sp. The one most commonly sold as "Pamphobeteus antinous" (there has been more than 1 species sold as such), but are better to be called Pamphobeteus sp. "antinous". They are often much more brown then black when arriving from the wild.

The other spider is Cyriocosmus ritae, likely a mature female.

Eric

 

[Satellite Rob]

I beleave thats just a bad picture.If you see them in person that thay are a
black T with a purple sheen under the right light.Thay are between 5" to 8"
and that have a lighter crisscrossing or starburst in it's carapace.I was
wonder if 1 of the Colombiam Pamphobeteus might have got mix in with the
Peru shipment.Because thay had a Colombian Pamphobeteus Spec that was
brown.But I still think a bad picture and that T is really black.But we will have
to wait for AbraxasComplex to make a post.But it also can be one of the
oddball T that there was only 1 in the shipment and we just missed it.
Nobody is perfect.On saturday I found a A.Fracta that sat was on a shelf for
6 weeks mix in with T.Blondi's.The only reason I found it was I was feeding
the giants.

 

[xenesthis]

Peru

This is easy for me as I've unpacked and set up thousands of these spiders 1996-2000 and seen this recently again this past year.

First picture is: Pamphobeteus vespertinus "Red Bloom" (a rare find!)

Pics after that of the large black T: Pamphobeteus sp. "antinous" (pet trade I.D.), but I think these will prove to be P. grandis (newly described).

Dwarf black and white species: C. ritae

Todd

 

[Satellite Rob]

Hay Todd I new that you would be the only one to bring up P.Grandis and I
agree with you.But thats a fight for a different day.There not a places that I
can even find that has a picture of P.Grandis and there a very limited amount
of information about them.I didn't want to start any wars today about it.By
the way P.Vespertinus wasn't posted yet when I made my post and it's 1 of my
favorite Pamphobeteus there is.Thats 1 of the oddballs that sometimes comes
in.

PS.Antinous + P.Grandis debate we will leave for another day.

 

[AbraxasComplex]

Well they are bad pictures. All the tarantulas received are a dark black. Most have red rumps, with pure black females (8-9" legspan) having remnants of red hairs, some had none. Only one adult female (also 8'' legspan) had a deep brown colour.

They were collected near Iquitos, Peru. Between the Marañon river basins and river Itaya.

 

[xenesthis]

P. grandis

Rob,

No debate. See: www.birdspiders.com/gallery/p.php?id=208

or you can debate that one with Rick West.

This has been suspected for a long time. The pet trade "P. antinous" of '96 '-00 and recently this year were and are P. grandis most likely.

The REAL P. antinous is in southern Peru and Bolivia. The "chicken spider" is thought by many to be the real P. antinous as well.

Todd

 

[AbraxasComplex]

If it helps you can hear them hiss/rattle very softly when they are disturbed.

 

[Comatose]

pics of females: those don't look like P. antinous to me. they look more like Megaphobema velvetsoma. I am actually willing to bet that those really are M. velvetosoma...


I personally don't think any of those in the pics are Pamphobeteus.

I was gonna say ditto.

 

[Wadew]

They look much like what I have seen in the pet trade called P.antinous (peru) Velvetsoma have a more velvety appearence all the way down the leg
with longer hairs over the abdomen. Also the P.antinous (peru) do not posses the classic pampho X-mas tree pattern. or at least the slings I have had did not.

So after a year of trying to get permits for Pamphobeteus sp. from Peru they finally arrived.

He stated they were Pamphobeteus antinous and also sent 3 "suprise" spiderlings. I am not sure if they are spiderlings of the Pamphobeteus anitous or another species. He has not responded to my question.

Can you please help me id? I have pictures of an adult female, a juvenile, and one of the spiderlings.

 

[billopelma]

I agree that the sling here looks like what I've seen/owned as P. "antinous", P. ultramarinus is another that lacks the typical Xmas tree on the abdomen.
I'm curious what an M. velvetosoma sling looks like. Anyone have a pic or have the majority in the hobby thus far been WC adults? Do the ranges of antinous and velvetosoma overlap, they're both in Peru, yes?

Bill

 

[MaximusMeridus]

Chicken spider

Hi,

no doubt about it, as I have had the great Chicken Spider myself. This is a Chicken Spider from Manu/Tambopata region. They are beautiful and incredibly rare spiders in the trade. Most notibly they display social characteristics until at least sub adulthood, sleeping and hunting like wolves together.

The first photo is the a juvenile CS with the rest except the last being an sub/adult CS. The last I don't know of, certainly not the same species as hatchlings are dark grey (I mated them with an eggsac)

See here, my post
http://www.thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2454

Cheers and good luck, pm me if you are in the UK.

So after a year of trying to get permits for Pamphobeteus sp. from Peru they finally arrived.

He stated they were Pamphobeteus antinous and also sent 3 "suprise" spiderlings. I am not sure if they are spiderlings of the Pamphobeteus anitous or another species. He has not responded to my question.

Can you please help me id? I have pictures of an adult female, a juvenile, and one of the spiderlings.


Juvenile with red rump

Female beside a dime with red rump reduced. Some females have entirely black bodies, a few have some red left.

Spiderling... same species?

 

[MaximusMeridus]

Iquitos is faaaar away from Manu/Tambopata, I think they collected them south and didn't tell you unless the species exist in the north, which I find surprising. What annoys me about collectors like this is they should be documenting locations or we won't know what lives where to protect the habitat.

Well they are bad pictures. All the tarantulas received are a dark black. Most have red rumps, with pure black females (8-9" legspan) having remnants of red hairs, some had none. Only one adult female (also 8'' legspan) had a deep brown colour.

They were collected near Iquitos, Peru. Between the Marañon river basins and river Itaya.

 

[sharpfang]

I would like to see some slings

In the USA already!