Parabathus vollosus ld50?

[Johnn]

Anyone know the ld50 of parabathus vollosus and the maximum size? I've read 11.5 cm but they gotta get bigger than that thanks

 

[ArachnoDrew]

Don't know the LD. There's definitely a few Parabuthus Sp that are hotter

11cm may justcbe counting the body. That is pretty accurate most will average around 5 inches or maybe 6.

Theres many variants of villosus. Black morph being the largest in my experience

 

[Johnn]

Thanks i know the granulatus is like 1.56 mg/kg. I want the hottest big one. I had a transvaalicus a long time ago but i kinda wanted a big buthid that's kinda hot

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

The two most venomous species of Parabuthus is granulatus and transvaalicus they are responsible for a few human deaths every year in South Africa. Parabuthus venom causes unpleasant and painful "neuromuscular issues". A moderate to severe envenomation by a Parabuthus can be real nasty business that can lead to weeks of recovery.

I once read somewhere P. villosus has a LD50 value of 5.75 which scored higher than pallidus (5.25) and "maximus" (5.00). But this rating is suspect as I can not find it again and can not verify if it came from a legit source.

 

[Johnn]

Thank you. I don't doubt it. A lot in this family have a 20ishmg/kg ld50

 

[ArachnoDrew]

Villosus doesn't get that much bigger than transvaalicus. Transvaalicus is hotter and only slightly smaller

 

[Johnn]

Yeah I'm leaning toward granulatus now. A little smaller but still big. I've heard 11.5 cm, 160 cm, and 180 cm as maximum sizes. Anyone know what size to expect from a well fed female granulatus?

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

Thank you. I don't doubt it. A lot in this family have a 20ishmg/kg ld50

Venom studies on Parabuthus is very neglected because granulatus and transvaalicus are the only two causing human fatalities. There could be other Parabuthus species causing human fatalities but the records are sorely lacking another problem is subSaharan Africa is also sorely lacking in epidemiological surveys and case studies of scorpionism.

I wish they would run more toxicity tests on Parabuthus. Or at least give us an updated LD50 table on the genus.

 

[ArachnoDrew]

Granulatus are comparable to transvaalicus in size. Very few if any keepers in the last 10 years have had granulatus in the U.S.

My mature female was a tad smaller than my transvaalicus females.

My mature male Granulatus was large

 

[Johnn]

Granulatus are comparable to transvaalicus in size. Very few if any keepers in the last 10 years have had granulatus in the U.S.

My mature female was a tad smaller than my transvaalicus females.

My mature male Granulatus was large

So where did you get yours? Do you have to ship them from overseas? I can't find them anywhere, just transvaalicus and I've already had one of those

 

[Johnn]

And wow i just read the transvaalicus can inject up to 14 mg of venom which is absolutely mind boggling. I'm assuming though that that's just the max venom yield and that it doesn't inject that much all at once. Kinda like a lot of ppls on here think an a. Australia can inject 2 mg at once where in reality it has 2 mg altogether and injects up to 500 ug in a sting. Still that is an unbelievable yield. 14 mg!

 

[ArachnoDrew]

I do imports via Germany / Europe. They don't become available often.

 

[Johnn]

Ok that makes sense