Pamphobeteus sp confusion

[Bigphilystyle]

Pamphobeteus sp why is there so many odd names and colours. So I have a machalla and a mystery T. Have they been bred weirdly? Also do the females have a big colour change? One of the females looks purple ISH but the other one is dark brown. I wanna say this is the most confusing species to talk or research. Types in pink bloom and then when I use AI for identification it came up about exenthis now I swear none of these were about when I was in the hobbie in 2012. I'll add pics of my girls

 

[zsiciarz]

Yes, this genus is a mess. If you forgot or wasn't told by the seller what species this is, stick to Pamphobeteus sp. and don't breed her. It is near impossible to ID the exact species/locality in this genus from the photos.
(BTW sp. Machala, not machalla. The city in Equador is called Machala.)

 

[Bigphilystyle]

Thank you!!

Yes, this genus is a mess. If you forgot or wasn't told by the seller what species this is, stick to Pamphobeteus sp. and don't breed her. It is near impossible to ID the exact species/locality in this genus from the photos.
(BTW sp. Machala, not machalla. The city in Equador is called Machala.)

I do apologise, the seller spelt it this way so just assumed, right okay I won't breed her, she looks like a manabi then she looks like a different one why did people cross breed these. Id love to buy a Xenethis sp Bright if that is correct. Out of stock everywhere in UK.

 

[viper69]

It’s a simple obvious answer

 

[fcat]

I got all excited thinking there was a new Pamphobeteus sp 'confusion'

 

[Wolfram1]

(BTW sp. Machala, not machalla. The city in Equador is called Machala.)

yea, i even pointed that out to Dave, and he thanked me but didnt change the title to his video, which is a shame because it will thus remain a common confusion if even people who know better dont rectify it.

it is unknown whether it is called that because it was exported from Machala, Equador or if they were originally caught in the area around Machala.

and even with the recent publications about the genus it remains unclear if the P. sp. 'Machala' has already been described or not.

If anyone would know its "c.h.esteban" though he is usually busy so i hesitate to tag him every time the genus comes up.

you can look through his posts though, maybe something comes up.

the members "xenesthis" and "antinous" are very knowlegable on the topic too

 

[Bigphilystyle]

Thank you very much for the replies. I'll have a nose at those posts and research up. It's a major difference to being into the typical curly

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Genus is a catastrophe.
I just go by there sold names unless they turn out very different colored and obviously something else . Mine was supposedly a pinkbloom.

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pamphobeteus sp unknown

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[Bigphilystyle]

Genus is a catastrophe.
I just go by there sold names unless they turn out very different colored and obviously something else . Mine was supposedly a pinkbloom.

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pamphobeteus sp unknown

arachnoboards.com

Lovely T and they get huge doesn't they. Genuinely scratch my head about them all, I used Google lens for both of them and they come as a nigircolour which looks like a machala anyway I think someone just made them us as they go along. Close enough haha

 

[Wolfram1]

pinkbloom = sp. platyomma
purple bloom = sp. machala
blue bloom = antinous
etc. sqid names if you ask me

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

pinkbloom = sp. platyomma
purple bloom = sp. machala
blue bloom = antinous
etc. sqid names if you ask me

What do you think mine is lol sold as pinkbloom = sp. platyomma. In post 8 Squid names.?

 

[Wolfram1]

What do you think mine is lol sold as pinkbloom = sp. platyomma. In post 8 Squid names.?

pretty sure yes, since you cant really tell them apart without a definition of at least one of them i would go by what it was sold as.
i have raised 2 P. sp. 'machala' and now 2 P. sp. 'platyomma' and it seems like the platyomma lost the sling colours a little quicker, might misremember because of the timegap, or perhaps because my first two were females and the two P. sp. 'platyomma' i am raising now are both males, who knows....

i did not want to swear and then i remembered that in india attaching animal names to something is an insult XD

 

[fcat]

pinkbloom = sp. platyomma
purple bloom = sp. machala
blue bloom = antinous
etc. sqid names if you ask me

Reminds me of crayons. Violet-blue was not the same as the vastly superior blue-violet, yet they could come up with names like periwinkle? Who's running this show anyway??

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

pinkbloom = sp. platyomma
purple bloom = sp. machala
blue bloom = antinous
etc. sqid names if you ask me

Not to mention the potential that there could be multiple species being sold with the same common or scientific name.

 

[c.h.esteban]

Oh, a collective lamento about these evil genus.

Instead of "Genus is a catastrophe. " i prefer "Pet trade is a catastrophe".

To the P. sp. MACHALA.
I have also just the information that they was found nearby the city.
To the question if sp. MACHALA is described or not, I will not answer.
The reasons are:

• No proper lacality data.
• The appearance of strange colored males under these lable lately, which are different to that what i knew from the beginning of the 2000, when the were introduced in the hobby.

 

[DonLouchese]

Oh, a collective lamento about these evil genus.

Instead of "Genus is a catastrophe. " i prefer "Pet trade is a catastrophe".

To the P. sp. MACHALA.
I have also just the information that they was found nearby the city.
To the question if sp. MACHALA is described or not, I will not answer.
The reasons are:

• No proper lacality data.
• The appearance of strange colored males under these lable lately, which are different to that what i knew from the beginning of the 2000, when the were introduced in the hobby.

Very interesting indeed. Meanwhile the pet trade and the smell of cashing out big are the main reason that there is so much confussion.

Although having a lot of the infamous species , I can see the difference between them as to when they are slings and such. It is quite sad to realize that this is a problem that will never be resolved because to much time has passed since it entered the hobby and the given species are well integrated and breed (cross-bred) by now.

I would on the other hand love to see atleast to what the confirmed species from 2023 taxonomic data would refer to. Since noone in the hobby is selling those species , meanwhile they are most likely or I'd say very likely the same species that were long ago brought to the pet trade table.

Wish I was educated enough to compare the "pet-trade" sp. like platyomma/machala/nigricolor etc. on a taxonomic or so to speak microscopic level. Atleast then I'd know what is going on and how deep we are stuck.

Best regards,

Don

 

[Brewser]

Pretty, Powerful, and Pugnacious, Purchace your Pamphobeteus today.

 

[DonLouchese]

Also :

From the taxonomic refferences since I've read it and searched through various stuff.

Very interesting how some species like :

Pamphobeteus gangotenai - type locality from Zamtotambo (Ecuador) isn't reffered or checked out with the hobby form of sp. Machala - since it's within the range of Machala city and it's surroundings. (cca 20km).
Pamphobeteus jamacoaque - type locality "Jama" (Manabi - Ecuador) which is also the locality from where sp. Manabi has been distributed from. - could as well have some potential to be from the same locality or same sp.

Oh well, another day another hope for some news.

 

[TheraMygale]

i prefer "Pet trade is a catastrophe".

We can make a difference. We need to purchase from reputable sources. The price tag surely follows.

but with this board, i believe we can cross check certain sources.

its not niche. A tarantula miracle gets sold, we will know here. If its not known here then we should beware.

sp. thats just an excuse for not knowing. I have been pining for a t schroederi . My trusted dealer is selling a very cheap t sp. “most prob shcro”.

its not schro to me if its not SURE.

is price always everything?

an adult pulchra is what, 300 usd or 300 CAD. I would pay 500 CAD for a certified mature female pulchra. No one will get me to spend my rent money on crumbs.

 

[c.h.esteban]

Pamphobeteus gangotenai - type locality from Zamtotambo (Ecuador) isn't reffered or checked out with the hobby form of sp. Machala - since it's within the range of Machala city and it's surroundings. (cca 20km).

Why should anyone waste his time checking hobby specimens that are maybe hybridized? Just to give these mess the absolution with a proper scientific name.

But P. gangotenai is already in the hobby.

Pamphobeteus jamacoaque - type locality "Jama" (Manabi - Ecuador) which is also the locality from where sp. Manabi has been distributed from. - could as well have some potential to be from the same locality or same sp.

Manabi is not a little place. This is a province with nearly 20.000 m² and a range of 260 km from North to south.
Within these province we know some other P. spp. and one of these fits better to P. jamacoaque (see my older posts).

We can make a difference. We need to purchase from reputable sources. The price tag surely follows....

I read such statements the last 25 years, but can't see a change.