Obscure Avic species...

[kellygirl]

Wow, I was just browsing through Rick West's site, which has recently been updated (woohoo), and found some GORGEOUS Avicularia sp. pictures. Man, we need these species in the trade for real!

A. fasciculata (oooh, the P. metallica of Avicularia!)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B00184KD0B7KAEC2K1495BD9B779A1F2C

A. juruensis (didn't this used to be available in the pet trade?)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B02A56KD0B7KAEC2K14DE4FEE33E61538

????? (Whoa, fuzzy, banded, purple 'n' red, blue highlights, white-tipped hairs--it's a little bit of the best of all Avics!)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B016A8KD0B7KAEC2K149B2F0F71686906

????? (If it lost some weight, this would be a way cool spider!)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B05884KD0B7KAEC2K143F860E97E15E63

????? (WOW!! Very interesting-looking species!)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B00C9AKD0B7KAEC2K140771FD2FAAC67C

????? (Is it just the lighting or is this Avic red all over?! Possibly same species as one listed before it?)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B04CE1KD0B7KAEC2K148167EE25D93955

Man, Avicularia is DEFINITELY in the top 5 most diverse genera. Hope it gets cleaned up soon and some of these unidentified and rare species get into the trade!

-Kelly

P.S. Is this C. fasciatum? http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B03AC9KD0B7KAEC2K1495DE3DBBB6F49F

 

[conipto]

Kelly,

M. zebratum is a valid species. We had a discussion about it longer than my search memory is to find it for you. It's called the 'Dwarf Tiger Rump' or 'Venezualan Tiger Rump' if those aren't confusing enough for you

Bill

 

[Code Monkey]

Yes, allegedly M. zebratum is a smaller species that looks exactly like C. fasciatum other than size.

I'm trying to figure out what it is that makes a Meteriopelma versus a Cyclosternum because they appear very similar. I'm raising two undescribed Meteriopelma slings and if someone told me they were a Cyclosternum first I'd have believed it.

 

[kellygirl]

The strange thing is that they are both found in Costa Rica... what is taxonomically different about them that there would be a need to have them not only listed as different species but in different genera?

-Kelly

P.S. Is Cyclosternum fasciatum moving to the Davus genus?

 

[Code Monkey]

Originally posted by kellygirl The strange thing is that they are both found in Costa Rica... what is taxonomically different about them that there would be a need to have them not only listed as different species but in different genera?

That's what I want to know. I really want to learn more about the nitty gritty details of taxonomy ID'ing in the next couple of years. To my amateur eye, Metriopelma and Cyclosternum are indistingushable.

P.S. Is Cyclosternum fasciatum moving to the Davus genus?

Unlikely. Currently Davus is a junior synonym of Cyclosternum. There is apparently somebody in Europe under the impression that they are going to publish a paper that will change the genus back to Davus and some European dealers and hobbyists are claiming this is so.

Personally, I cannot conceive how you can do this unless you're going to somehow prove that Davus was a valid and separate genus than Cyclosternum and then prove that all of the species in Cyclosternum belong in it. When it's on Platnick, I'll accept it (mostly).

 

[greensleeves]

Originally posted by kellygirl
????? (If it lost some weight, this would be a way cool spider!)
http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cf...l&imageid=15B05884KD0B7KAEC2K143F860E97E15E63

Actually, we were discussing this one in the arachnochat - I was teasing mrderanged that he should raffle off one of these next. I'm not sure if this avic is actually fat - it looks to me more like its abdomen is seated higher up than most Ts, with the carapace emerging almost turtle-like from underneath.

I've seen this configuration in smaller spiders before. I saw one once that had a green, disk-shaped abdomen - looked like it had a Smartie welded to its back! =D

Greensleeves

 

[kellygirl]

Code-- Maybe Volker or Martin will come on here and clear things up for us...

-Kelly

 

[kellygirl]

Re: Re: Obscure Avic species...

Originally posted by greensleeves
I'm not sure if this avic is actually fat - it looks to me more like its abdomen is seated higher up than most Ts, with the carapace emerging almost turtle-like from underneath.

Hm, I was thinking it might be gravid...

-Kelly

 

[SpiderTwin]

Wow! There seems to be so many of the Avics, i can see where people can easily get lost in them all.

The first one on your list is a new one to me, but would be a nice T to have.

The second one, A. juruensis, I believe its name was changed to A. aurantiaca (Yellow banded pinktoe).

The third one looks to me like A. bicegoi, Rick said it was a possible A. bicegoi too.

The fourth one is way cool looking, what the hell is it?

The fifth and sixth look to be the same, but the T in the sixth pic looks to be a male.

I can't wait for someone to iron out the whole genera, so we know just how many different species there actually are.

 

[Code Monkey]

Originally posted by kellygirl
Code-- Maybe Volker or Martin will come on here and clear things up for us...

-Kelly

Martin did chime in here. He knows as much as any of us on this one

 

[kellygirl]

Argh!! Oh well... SOMEONE has to have some justification for all this somewhere. The question is, do they come to these boards?

-Kelly