New to Dubia and lateris

[biomarine2000]

I have started two roach colonies. One being dubia and the other Blatta lateralis. The I have had the Blatta lateralis for just a day or two over 1 month. They were nymphs when I purchased them. I got about 100 dubia, a few adults, and mixed.

When do you think they will begin to breed? When will I be able to start feeding them to my t's? The Blatta lateralis are getting around an 3/4 in up to an inch.

Sorry If I sound impatient, its cause I am. I hate buying crickets! Thanks

 

[jharr]

I bought 10 adults of each and kept them all in the same container. 2 months later I saw egg cases and a couple of weeks later I had nymphs. The adults all died off or were fed to the gecko, but those egg cases have provided nymphs to my juvi's for around 9 months. I just ordered 20 more lateralis from lllreptile (free shipping? can't beat that with a stick!). This is the best, easiest, cheapest way to feed your exotics hands down! A little patience and you will have more roaches than you know what to do with.

Good luck!

J--

I have started two roach colonies. One being dubia and the other Blatta lateralis. The I have had the Blatta lateralis for just a day or two over 1 month. They were nymphs when I purchased them. I got about 100 dubia, a few adults, and mixed.

When do you think they will begin to breed? When will I be able to start feeding them to my t's? The Blatta lateralis are getting around an 3/4 in up to an inch.

Sorry If I sound impatient, its cause I am. I hate buying crickets! Thanks

 

[biomarine2000]

Thanks Jharr, I'm hoping so. So far I seem to like to Dubia a lot more. Thats really cool that you are successful housing both together.

 

[jharr]

I tried feeding the dubias, but if the T didn't get it right away, it would burrow down into the substrate and I guess eventually die of starvation or dehydration. The lateralis though, they would just walk around until they bumped into the T. Then if the T was hungry it would eat and if it wasn't, I could get the roach out without digging up the whole thing. The few dubias I have left will go to the gecko. I suppose when the A. genic gets big enough, I could feed it dubias since those jump on anything that hits the ground.

I wondered myself about keeping them all together, but just figured I would learn the hard way. Turns out there was nothing to learn. I got nymphs of both species, so they weren't eating each other.

Hope that helps,
J--

Thanks Jharr, I'm hoping so. So far I seem to like to Dubia a lot more. Thats really cool that you are successful housing both together.

 

[Pacmaster]

I have no experience with the lateralis, tho I might get some in the future as dubias are, in fact, not the most active and do burrow.

Dubias are good in that they dont stink, live long, dont climb or fly, and if escaped they must be warm or theyll die.
I was told to leave my starter colony alone for around 3-5 months to let nymphs mature and start breeding, and about 9 months- 1 yr to really get production in full swing.
They give live birth.

Im already getting producing adults from my starters, acquired in december.

Once you get a stable colony going, youll never get a filthy nasty cricket again.

I wont buy crix, havent in years.
I keep lotsa lotsa frogs . . .

 

[skips]

Hey, I actually did the same thing about a month and a half ago now. I've got alot of egg cases out of the lateralis in a month, no nymphs yet. I've heard the egg cases take almost a month to hatch, but produce about 25 nymphs and all your females will lay them continuously. Seriously though, with the lateralis they'll all look the same one day and POOF they molt and the males get wings and the females get bigger and a much darker color. You just need to keep the humidity up for the lateralis and provide a stable source of protein for both. Both species absolutely devour fish food to the point where it's almost too expensive to feed...if you're cheap like me.

With the dubia...they take a while. They too just suddenly poof and mature. I still havn't seen egg sacks. I have seen them...copulating though.

 

[biomarine2000]

I tried feeding the dubias, but if the T didn't get it right away, it would burrow down into the substrate and I guess eventually die of starvation or dehydration. The lateralis though, they would just walk around until they bumped into the T. Then if the T was hungry it would eat and if it wasn't, I could get the roach out without digging up the whole thing. The few dubias I have left will go to the gecko. I suppose when the A. genic gets big enough, I could feed it dubias since those jump on anything that hits the ground.

I wondered myself about keeping them all together, but just figured I would learn the hard way. Turns out there was nothing to learn. I got nymphs of both species, so they weren't eating each other.

Hope that helps,
J--

I was reading about dubia burrowing no another thread. Someone said that he tears the dubia antenna off so they wont burrow. Not sure first hand if this works or not but its worth a try. As for the lats, I fed a couple to my t's to make sure the t's liked them. The lats burrowed. Yeah I know I'm not kidding they did. When they mature I'm going to try taking off the antenna off both species in hopes they wont burrow.

 

[james]

lol

lol I know most of you guys as I have sold you roaches and or spiders. The dubia are good if you have aggresive eating T's that attach food on site. If not lateralis is a good option because they rarely burrow. The call them red runners for a reason. Personally I also use a lot of lobsters because I like clinbing roaches for my avics and stuff. Who ever thought a house full of roaches and spiders could be this much fun ;P :wall: :?

 

[biomarine2000]

Who ever thought a house full of roaches and spiders could be this much fun ;P :wall: :? [/QUOTE]

Aint that the truth! ;P

 

[skips]

Just for an update. With the lateralis, I just saw my first egg case hatch and I have several nymphs. It took about a month. Not long at all, and ive seen sooo many egg cases I expect an explosion of feeders soon.

 

[biomarine2000]

Just for an update. With the lateralis, I just saw my first egg case hatch and I have several nymphs. It took about a month. Not long at all, and ive seen sooo many egg cases I expect an explosion of feeders soon.

Thats awesome! Did you buy adults or a mixed colony?

 

[skips]

Thats awesome! Did you buy adults or a mixed colony?

Most of them were subadults. There was one adult male and one adult female. Within a week the males went from ambiguous to winged. The females were a bit slower, but yeah, it took just over a month and I seriously see 3-5 females dropping egg cases a week. I was told to keep them hotter and humid and they'd breed faster.

 

[biomarine2000]

Update on colony growth

This is for the people new to roaches or thinking about starting a colony. My dubia are breeding in a room that is kept at about 80 or under. The lats weren't breeding like that at all. I totally re-did the enclosure for my lats yesterday and have already noticed my females dropping eggs. Here is the link. Hope it helps.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=56044

 

[skips]

This is for the people new to roaches or thinking about starting a colony. My dubia are breeding in a room that is kept at about 80 or under. The lats weren't breeding like that at all. I totally re-did the enclosure for my lats yesterday and have already noticed my females dropping eggs. Here is the link. Hope it helps.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=56044

I'm so confused. My lateralis breed like there's no tomorow, and for some ther isn't. My dubia refuse to breed. congrats to you on succeeding where I fail

 

[biomarine2000]

I'm so confused. My lateralis breed like there's no tomorow, and for some ther isn't. My dubia refuse to breed. congrats to you on succeeding where I fail

Try the setup that I posted. Mine weren't breeding until I did that. The heat rope keeps them much warmer then they were. Not even an hour after I put it in there I saw females spitting out eggs.

 

[gvfarns]

Just for an update. With the lateralis, I just saw my first egg case hatch and I have several nymphs. It took about a month. Not long at all, and ive seen sooo many egg cases I expect an explosion of feeders soon.

An explosion, yeah that's about right. I had lateralis for a long time without getting any hatchings at all. Finally I got the temps and humidity right and one case hatched. Then like a few days later I had thousands. When these guys reproduce, they really reproduce. You just have to keep them warm and keep the environment healthy for the egg cases. Then there's a little wait and suddenly more roaches than you can shake a stick at.

Btw I don't know about all this starting with 10 or 15 roaches stuff. I started with 500. That's a good healthy size for a lateralis colony. They are small enough insects that you can feed several at a time to large T's, and for herps...lots at a time.

 

[skips]

Try the setup that I posted. Mine weren't breeding until I did that. The heat rope keeps them much warmer then they were. Not even an hour after I put it in there I saw females spitting out eggs.

hmm, the only difference is that I use an infrared bulb and they use heat rope, and the fact that I have substrate. Where does one get heat rope?

 

[biomarine2000]

Here is the link to it. I use the short one.

http://www.bigappleherp.com/Big-Apple-Flexible-Heat-Ropes

 

[skips]

Here is the link to it. I use the short one.

http://www.bigappleherp.com/Big-Apple-Flexible-Heat-Ropes

Cool, Cool. Thanks. I just had my first babies yesterday. They must have known I was getting frustrated.

 

[biomarine2000]

Cool, Cool. Thanks. I just had my first babies yesterday. They must have known I was getting frustrated.

LOL. I'm beginning to like my lats much more then the dubia. The lts do smell way worse then the dubia but the t's nail the lats. The dubia tend to freeze up as soon as they hit the substrate.