Need Wasp Advice - Rescued A Hibernating Queen?

lauramars

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Hi, this is my first post on Arachnoboards. I need advice about how to take care of a wasp and this seemed like a good place to turn. I will post some backstory and some pictures, and hope for some advice from you experts! For reference, I live in Montreal, Canada.

In late November-early December, my husband and I were preparing to go to bed when a wasp fell out of the blinds as we were drawing them closed. The wasp was moving very, very slowly, and seemed sick or about to die. At the time, we didn't know anything about wasps, but we were shocked to see a wasp so late in the year. We both felt too sorry for it to kill it, and put it in a plastic box with some sugar water and a napkin. It seemed to drink the water and perk up a bit.

Over the next day or two, the wasp, who my husband named Prim, didn't move at all after an initial burst of activity, and we assumed she had died. Still, we didn't throw her away. My husband held on to a vain hope that she might wake up. Weeks passed, and we forgot about the box to some extent, and even went on vacation for Christmas. Some time at the end of December, after the box had been more or less abandoned for 2-3 weeks, my husband was looking at the wasp and noticed Prim's mouth was moving. She was alive! We were excited, and tried giving her some more water, and an apple slice, and even some dead moths we'd found.

Well, to make a long story short, here it is February, and Prim has been living with us for about two months now. We transferred her to a new box, and she is alive and well. As I write this, she's energetically climbing around on the sticks in her habitat. From his reading, my husband thinks Prim might be a queen who came out of hibernation too early (we have read that only wasp queens hibernate, and they are larger than workers - and Prim is rather big.) Does this seem likely? We are worried about how we will care for her until it is warm enough to let her go. We are also worried about the possibility of her instincts telling her that she must make a nest now, since she's awake and has access to food. We're not sure what to do.

Some behaviors I have noticed about Prim, along with some questions (please remember that I do not know much, if anything, about wasps).

1. She likes to cling to the side of her box, which is clear plastic. Is she interested in getting out?

2. She drinks sugar water from her water bowls (she has two, a contact lens lid and another plastic cap from somewhere) and seems to enjoy "spitting" the water on the walls of the box. I have seen her doing this many times - she even makes little water "trails" as she walks across the ceiling and walls. What does this mean?

3. I believe she has the capacity for flight, but is choosing not to or lacks the energy. We have seen her fly in her box once - but only once. Does she know it's pointless?

4. Prim is not nearly as energetic in behavior as wasps I have seen in the summer and early fall.

5. She is the most energetic in the middle of the day, and when night falls goes very still. We have read wasps are sensitive to light and sleep at night. Her behavior seems to reflect that.

6. She is approximately 24mm long.

Some more questions:

1. Does she want to make a nest now, in the middle of winter? Should we help her do that, or would that be a mistake?
2. Is there a way to put her back into hibernation, and should we consider this as a "better" option for her?
3. Is a diet of sugar water enough? Should she be given other food? We give her apple slices sometimes.
4. Is her habitat big enough? (See pictures) Should she have a bigger one?

Any advice or knowledge the community can dispense would be very much appreciated! Despite our lack of knowledge, we've grown very fond of Prim and would like to do everything we can to help her fulfill her destiny, whatever her instinct tells her that might be. Thanks in advance! Here are some pictures of Prim and her habitat.

prim1.jpg prim2.jpg prim3.jpg

And here is an album view of the same pictures that might be higher resolution/better quality: http://imgur.com/a/TxhhV#0

Thanks again!
 

Tleilaxu

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Looks like Polistes dominula, anyways here is an article I wrote on the topic several years ago, a lot of the pics have been lost, and the article suffered damage from a server move, but I can post a few later today or tomorrow. (And yes you need a larger cage for her.) As for putting her back too sleep, its possible, you need to stop feeding for a day, and then slowly drop the temp back down to outdoor temps, though I cannot promise she will survive that endeavor.

http://venomlist.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19684-keeping-north-american-polistes-wasps/

Wasp cage:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Tleilaxu/000_3866.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Polistes/000_3559.jpg

As for food, she will also need to eat honey, crickets, waxworms, and other soft bodied insects. (She will also need regular water)

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Polistes/000_2943.jpg

Another user here, Chesire, also wrote some wasp related artcles for this site, but I don't know if they have any pics anymore.

And whatever you do, do not release her back to the wild, she is an invasive species, if you don't want to deal with the possibilty of raising a colony, chill her down and place her in the freezer to peacefully put her to sleep, permenantly.
 
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Hanska

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You really shouldn't post things like that here!
Now I got interested in wasp keeping...and I hate wasps!
 
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lauramars

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Thank you so much for this information and identification, it's exactly what we were looking for. My husband and I are studying up on p. dominula now. Your article is amazing! I will post my thoughts after reading it more fully, but I wanted to express my thanks right away.

Prim has not moved for a few days. She's hanging upside down in her box. I will start constructing a bigger habitat for her based on your advice. Not sure where we will get crickets and caterpillars in the middle of winter - pet store? I wouldn't mind raising a colony but I'm not sure what our landlords would think if they found out.

Another question that occurred to me is: Is it possible the wasp is male?

---------- Post added 02-17-2015 at 07:42 PM ----------

Ok, I read your article - SO INFORMATIVE AND HELPFUL. Thank you!

A few more questions: Is it ok to feed dead insects if we can't find live ones?

Secondly, Prim is nearly motionless at all times of late, unlike the captured wasps in your article. Lately, she hasn't exhibited the range of motion and energy that she was displaying when I first wrote this post. I am not sure if this is due to a lack of nutrition, sickness, the time of year...?

Well, I guess we will just build a new habitat for her and try to find some crickets or worms somewhere for a first step at being better wasp keepers.

---------- Post added 02-17-2015 at 08:28 PM ----------

Just to update, I added honey to Prim's cage tonight (also I think she must be a queen as she does have the black dot in the middle of her face that Tleilaxu's article described)

Also Hanska, I felt the same as you until Prim fell out of our window...now I just have to learn more!
 

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First of all let me start by saying that I just love animal lovers. They/we cannot even kill a wasp when it falls down into our sleeping room :).

I think most of your questions are answered by the article. One easy answer is, almost all pet shops will have some sort of a feeder insect, most likely crickets. You can also order a wide variety of insects and their larvae online so there is no need to start a colony of anything for a single wasp. Here is one website that you may use but there are multiple: http://www.timberlinefisheries.com/default.asp

I hope she pulls through the winter...
 

lauramars

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Today, Prim is moving around for the first time in three days, and eating honey. I was so happy to see her moving around and looking at me. She also pooped. We need to get her some insects asap! I found a Canadian website that sells live insects, but I can only order 100+ insects at a time which seems somewhat impractical for one wasp. I am gonna go to the pet store tomorrow to see what options there are and look for a better box for her.
 

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First of all let me start by saying that I just love animal lovers. They/we cannot even kill a wasp when it falls down into our sleeping room :)
^ +1

Wasps have never been a favourite of mine. Yet I find myself coming to this thread for updates. This forum, and this hobby we're all involved in, has certainly changed my attitude towards all living things. And that now includes wasps as well.

Thank you for being such a kind and caring person. I'm rootin' for Prim as well!
 

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^ +1

Wasps have never been a favourite of mine. Yet I find myself coming to this thread for updates. This forum, and this hobby we're all involved in, has certainly changed my attitude towards all living things. And that now includes wasps as well.

Thank you for being such a kind and caring person. I'm rootin' for Prim as well!
Agreed on all points. To the OP, keep us updated and thanks for sharing! I have been following this thread too and it totally makes we want to try and keep one this summer when I go catching bugs and the like. Good luck with your specimen and I hope feeding it insects works out. If it does and if you feel you can snag a pic I (probably others as well) would love to see it in action. Wasps are extremely fascinating but I must admit I do get very nervous around them or anything that flies and has a stinger really. Maybe caring for a wasp or wasp(s) will help with that, anyway thanks again for sharing and keeping us posted, look forward to more!
 

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op, go to a bait store, wax worms (or spikes)are extremely popular bait and really easy to find....being in Canada there's likely more bait shops around than there are pet stores anyway.
 

Tleilaxu

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You have a female, very likely a queen, or foundress. All the wild males are long since dead. Anyways, hope you get her settled and adjusted well, anyways she will likely not be very active until later march/early april, when they wake up naturally. She will rely on increasing day length and temperatures to set her internal clocks, so make sure she is in a very well lit room.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Polistes/000_3660.jpg


@Hanska, yes I know people whom have kept Bombus sp, its impractical to keep them in a closed system like wasps, they must have access to the outdoors, but they are fun and rewarding nonethless, also really great pollinators. And since they are a big industry in there own right, there should be enough info out already on how to maintain a colony.

And it does seem this hobby is catching on.... this guy apparently also keeps wasps, as much as I would like to take credit for that, Im not THAT egotistical, yet

[YOUTUBE]OXbPNFDO3MU[/YOUTUBE]

I may need to pick the torch back up and get back into the hobby. Seven years I have taken a break sheesh, it feels like yesterday.
 
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WeeHector

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Quite by chance, I have just uploaded a photo of a Polistes dominula on the photos thread. This is one feeding on a newly moulted firebug. They fly round inspecting every one until they find one which doesn't have a hard shell and then go in for the kill. It's fascinating to watch.

Polistes dominula 3.jpg
 

lauramars

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These are great pictures! P dominula looks really awesome, like a yellow and black mclaren P1 with its doors open. And that video was so fascinating! I like how they manipulate their food. Got Prim (still alive and well, though very sleepy most of the time) a biiiig box today. Once I figure out how and where I'm going to set it up, I'll drill airholes and mod it for her future nest. No luck yet with insects, but I found a bait store in the city that I'll probably visit sometime this week.

Our living room gets scads of natural light, which is where she stays, but we've taken to keeping the electric lights off in there after it gets dark so her internal clock doesn't get confused.

Tleilaxu, I'm from Minnesota born and raised (even though I live in Canada now), nice to see someone from the old homestead.
 

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These are great pictures! P dominula looks really awesome, like a yellow and black mclaren P1 with its doors open. And that video was so fascinating! I like how they manipulate their food. Got Prim (still alive and well, though very sleepy most of the time) a biiiig box today. Once I figure out how and where I'm going to set it up, I'll drill airholes and mod it for her future nest. No luck yet with insects, but I found a bait store in the city that I'll probably visit sometime this week.

Our living room gets scads of natural light, which is where she stays, but we've taken to keeping the electric lights off in there after it gets dark so her internal clock doesn't get confused.

Tleilaxu, I'm from Minnesota born and raised (even though I live in Canada now), nice to see someone from the old homestead.
Nice to meet someone who is willing to look after a wasp queen. I took up macro photography a couple of years ago and it taught me total respect for other species. I won't kill anything now. Where do you live in Canada? I am Scottish but spent 5 years in Ontario as a kid. Now living in France.
 

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Are wasps as aggressive as people make them out to be? I know since getting into the hobby that snakes and spiders arent deman creatures from the pits of hell out to kill humans.
 

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Are wasps as aggressive as people make them out to be? I know since getting into the hobby that snakes and spiders arent deman creatures from the pits of hell out to kill humans.
Depends on the type of wasp. I lost one of my favorite bike riding roads when a wasp nest started in a tree hanging over it. Anyone going under that tree gets tagged.
 

Tleilaxu

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Are wasps as aggressive as people make them out to be? I know since getting into the hobby that snakes and spiders arent deman creatures from the pits of hell out to kill humans.
Depends on the species, with time, you can free handle polistes wasps and actually touch the nests, while other species will nail you for looking at them funny.
 
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