need some insight on a few questions. cant find answeres

beccahosierr · Feb 22, 2012

I have searched all over and can't find the answers I need.

I am planning on breeding my rosea in about a month. A guy I know has a MM and wants to breed him. I would love to be able to breed my little girl ( pissy Pete) haha

I have lots of questions.

-when introducing the male to her, how long would it take for them to " get it on"?
-after, when would she lay a sac?
- I have incubators, so when should I take the sac out?
- what temps/ humidity levels do I need for the eggs?
- should I feed her afterwards? If so, how much. (I don't plan on letting her eat the male)
- when will the eggs hatch?
- when they do hatch, will I need seperate containers for each one?
- what are the chances of her eating the sac?
- how easy would they be to sell? ( just for future planning)
- would I have to introduce the male and female once or a few times?
-does she need any special temps while gravid?

Anything else I need to know please tell me.

And please don't refer me to another page. I really don't want to continue searching for the answers I need. Most of the pages I have looked at don't cover much. I want to get your opinions.

xhexdx · Feb 22, 2012

beccahosierr said:
And please don't refer me to another page. I really don't want to continue searching for the answers I need. Most of the pages I have looked at don't cover much. I want to get your opinions.

This is what I translate your quote to:

"Please spoon-feed me everything I need, so I don't have to do any work myself. Thank you."

The breeding reports are there for a reason. I'd link you but you don't want a link, so I trust you can find it yourself.

You want to know how easy they are to sell? Check the FS section, search for them, PM the people who had them listed and ask them if they sold.

What, exactly, did you 'search all over'?

SamuraiSid · Feb 22, 2012

Unfortunately, if you want to learn how to breedTarantulas, nobody is going to spoon feed you. You need to understand all the little in's and outs, and gather more than enough information before proceeding.

Sex-ed in HS lasts.... what, 5 hours? Make sure you spend at least that much time reading up on breeding Tarantulas

ShadowBlade · Feb 22, 2012

My opinion is that you are probably about to kill a spider or atleast injure one. If an eggsack results, they will be an expensive experiment that will result in a sad loss.

If you'd like the results to be different, you might want to think about CARING to do research before you come in here and demand even the most basic information on a subject that should be thoroughly researched before attempting. Its like a student wandering into your chemistry class and asking whats the best way to blow up a beaker of water. Probably not the best thing to tell him.

-Sean

GiantVinegaroon · Feb 22, 2012

G. rosea are incredibly difficult to breed. Look into a species that's much easier to breed, if you wish to actually take the time to research breeding.

Shell · Feb 22, 2012

beccahosierr said:
-when introducing the male to her, how long would it take for them to " get it on"?
-after, when would she lay a sac?
- I have incubators, so when should I take the sac out?
- what temps/ humidity levels do I need for the eggs?
- should I feed her afterwards? If so, how much. (I don't plan on letting her eat the male)
- when will the eggs hatch?
- when they do hatch, will I need seperate containers for each one?
- what are the chances of her eating the sac?
- how easy would they be to sell? ( just for future planning)
- would I have to introduce the male and female once or a few times?
-does she need any special temps while gravid?

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Ok....so yes, all of this is information is there to be found on the boards, and you definitely should care to do a lot of research if you're planning on breeding.

How long it takes depends on the spiders, it could be only a few minutes or it could take hours. The first pairing with my G. pulchripes took over 2 hours for them to do anything.
It could take a year for a rosea to lay a sac, IF the pairing is successful, G. rosea tend to do everything slower it seems.

Yes, you feed her after. Whether or not you intend to let the male get eaten though, doesn't mean that it won't happen in spite of your efforts. Many people have lost MMs while supervising, and not intending to let the male get eaten.

How many times you pair them is really up to you. With my pulchripes, I paired them every couple weeks for a few times.

The chances of her eating the sac (IF you get one, G, rosea do not tend to be an easy to breed species) depends on many factors. Too much noise and disturbance could cause her to be "stressed out" and eat the sac, for example. There is no way to say "the chances are this", just like there is no way to say how fast a specific spider will grow, there are just too many factors that come into play.

As far as when to pull the sac and temps and humidity and all of that, that's one reason to go read the breeding reports. The people writing them have first hand experience pairing this species.

How well they will sell also depends on many factors, such as location and demand, if you're willing to ship etc etc. That said, G. rosea tend to have large sacs and they are extremely common, so you could very well be left with a bunch of spiders you can't get rid of...again assuming you actually get a sac.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you really need to go search through the breeding reports. Do as much searching as possible on this topic, this is one of those things you should never jump into without a good idea of what you're doing. I searched for about a year before I attempted my first pairing. I read the breeding reports mostly, and when a question came up that I genuinely could not find, I asked friends with more experience than me, but honestly with the amount of info on the boards here, there shouldn't be that much that you can't find on your own.

beccahosierr · Feb 22, 2012

Now if y'all were to actually READ my post, I HAVE been doing tons of research. Obviously you didn't see that. I have a month or two to read and research. So I'm not just "jumping" into it. And xhexdx, why are you so critical to peoples posts? I'm getting really tired of people needing answers, and you being rude about it. And no, I am not asking to be "spoon fed" . I have researched, checked breeding reports, asked around.shadowblade, that is why I am asking so many questions, I'm not just going to do it without any kind of knowledge whatsoever. I have also been watching videos. I'm not totally dumb ya know. I'm tired of people being so rude. I'm sorry I don't want to search and read every single thread for hours just to find one answer. I'm not going yo killl my T. That is why I am trying to get answers, but seeing as how nobody wants go help me, I will get help somewhere else. Anyways , why are y'all being so critical towards me breeding? How do you think other breeders did it??? Asking questions right? They had to of learned somewhere. Everyone starts somewhere. You don't just pop out knowing everything. At least I'm taking the initiative to ask questions besides just breeding them with no knowledge whatsoever. At least I'm trying to learn. Obviously nobody wants to help.

GiantVinegaroon · Feb 22, 2012

beccahosierr said:
Now if y'all were to actually READ my post, I HAVE been doing tons of research. Obviously you didn't see that. I have a month or two to read and research. So I'm not just "jumping" into it. And xhexdx, why are you so critical to peoples posts? I'm getting really tired of people needing answers, and you being rude about it. And no, I am not asking to be "spoon fed" . I have researched, checked breeding reports, asked around.shadowblade, that is why I am asking so many questions, I'm not just going to do it without any kind of knowledge whatsoever. I have also been watching videos. I'm not totally dumb ya know. I'm tired of people being so rude. I'm sorry I don't want to search and read every single thread for hours just to find one answer. I'm not going yo killl my T. That is why I am trying to get answers, but seeing as how nobody wants go help me, I will get help somewhere else. Anyways , why are y'all being so critical towards me breeding? How do you think other breeders did it??? Asking questions right? They had to of learned somewhere. Everyone starts somewhere. You don't just pop out knowing everything. At least I'm taking the initiative to ask questions besides just breeding them with no knowledge whatsoever. At least I'm trying to learn. Obviously nobody wants to help.

if you researched, you would know all the answers to those questions.

beccahosierr · Feb 22, 2012

Thank you for actually helping shell

I appreciate it. I plan on doing LOADS of research

ShadowBlade · Feb 22, 2012

Maybe I should clarify, 'researching' does not equal: 'browsing through amazon looking for newest shoes'.

IF you HAVE been doing research, then you would know the answers to MANY of those questions. I worked as a tutor at my college for over 2 years, and still do it online now. It is blatantly obvious when people say they 'have been studying' something, but haven't. It is very apparent. If you tell me you did research on Abraham Lincoln.. then you should know what number president he was. If you have been researching breeding, then you should know when the eggs will hatch. It is not calculus, does not require a microscope, and requires next to no thought whatsoever.

-Sean

xhexdx · Feb 22, 2012

I just want to address one specific point here...

beccahosierr said:
How do you think other breeders did it??? Asking questions right? They had to of learned somewhere.

So this would mean threads already exist, with the answers to the questions you're asking, right?

Just curious.

I'm not the only one who is critical, I'm just the most 'vocal' about it.

I still feel that yes, you are in fact asking to be spoon fed. The main reason I believe this is:

beccahosierr said:
And please don't refer me to another page. I really don't want to continue searching for the answers I need. Most of the pages I have looked at don't cover much. I want to get your opinions.

This tells me that you want all the answers to your questions re-typed right here, right now. I'm not sure how else to take you saying you don't want us to provide you with external data.

I asked you a question in my initial reply: What, exactly, did you 'search all over'? Did you search Arachnoboards? Did you use Google? Did you browse other fora? If you used Google, forget it. If you used Arachnoboards, there's a great tutorial on how to use the search in an effective manner (the link is located in my signature, as well as a link to the Advanced Search form). If you used other fora, which ones?

I'd be happy to help you locate your answers, but first I'd like to see that you have actually made an effort to find them yourself. I don't think it's very fair to ask us to spend our own valuable time answering questions that have been asked, and answered, because you do not have the time to either (1) find the information yourself, or (2) learn how to find the information yourself.

There's an adage about giving a man a fish vs teaching him to fish...

EDIT:

Ok, wait a second...

beccahosierr said:
I plan on doing LOADS of research

So have you, or have you not, done any research?

beccahosierr said:
I have searched all over and can't find the answers I need.

Um... :?

So if you've already tried to do research...and failed...then how exactly are you going to do LOADS of research?

beccahosierr · Feb 22, 2012

Really? Just because I said I plan to do research, doesn't mean that I haven't already done some research. It means I am going to do MORE. I'm not just going to read one thing, and think I know everything. Anyways, we are in the QUESTIONS section. Doesn't that mean you ask questions? Maybe I'm wrong. By the way, I browsed through the breeding reports, and searched Google. All I seen about roseas in the breeding reports was about some girl having a random sac. Call me stupid, but I do not understand the search function on here. It only let's me search in "posts" . And when I do that, it doesn't bring up what I need

Shell · Feb 22, 2012

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?14037-Grammostola-rosea&highlight=rosea

That's the thread about G. rosea in the breeding reports, it's 4 pages long so it should have some good info for you (I browsed through the first page, lots there).

Read carefully through the tutorial in Joe's signature about using the search function. It is great and will teach you everything you need to know about navigating that feature of the boards.

xhexdx · Feb 22, 2012

Ok, I'll try this one more time, I guess.

beccahosierr said:
Just because I said I plan to do research, doesn't mean that I haven't already done some research. It means I am going to do MORE.

Ok, here again is my thought process on this:

beccahosierr attempted to do research.
beccahosierr failed at research.
beccahosierr refuses to learn how to do research.
beccahosierr plans to do more research.

**does not compute**

I quite simply do not understand how you plan to do MORE research when you couldn't successfully do ANY research to begin with. That's the hurdle I'm trying to jump over. Again with the man and fish analogy...

beccahosierr said:
Anyways, we are in the QUESTIONS section. Doesn't that mean you ask questions?

Yep, I asked you three follow-ups. Thank you for answering them.

beccahosierr said:
...but I do not understand the search function on here. It only let's me search in "posts" . And when I do that, it doesn't bring up what I need

There is a link to a search tutorial in my signature. Click it, read it, learn it. Not rocket science, and will be extremely beneficial in the long run, don't you think?

I might also suggest you read through the stickies and rules. They'll also be helpful to you.

beccahosierr · Feb 22, 2012

Thank you shell. Xhexdx, your way of thinking is kind of flawed. You really are not reading my posts all the way. You must not have anything better to do than troll the boards. No point in carrying on a pointless argument with you. Thank you shell, I will have to read through that.

Shell · Feb 22, 2012

beccahosierr said:
Thank you shell. Xhexdx, your way of thinking is kind of flawed. You really are not reading my posts all the way. You must not have anything better to do than troll the boards. No point in carrying on a pointless argument with you. Thank you shell, I will have to read through that.

You're welcome...Joe (xhexdx) is not a troll though, and he does know his stuff. He is really just trying to help you learn how to maximize this site to its full potential. His way of going about it may not be all sunshine and roses, but he's nowhere near as bad as some people seem to think.

I do agree with him. Learning how to use the search function would be the best thing for you (not just you, everyone that uses the boards), and if his tutorial doesn't make sense to you, I'm sure he would be more than willing to help you figure it out. I know it can be a little tricky to use it at first but really, his tutorial is great and there is so much information here at your disposal.

I'm saying this nicely, I have no problem helping people out and giving advice where I can, but I like to know that every effort was made to research first. My time is as valuable as the next person, and I have always made the effort to research my questions before I ask. When there is so much valuable information already on these boards, I don't know how someone could not want to learn how to access it. I'm not pointing fingers here or trying to attack you, just saying people in general.

Stan Schultz · Feb 22, 2012

beccahosierr said:
I have searched all over and can't find the answers I need. ...

Before I dive into the fray I'd like some additional information about YOU.

First off, I need to know your approximate age. No, I'm not necessarily biased against old people (I'm 68!), or teenagers. (I'm actually a 19 year old wondering, "What happened?") I'm interested because I don't want to make an inappropriate assumption and insult you, or talk over your head.

How many tarantulas have you had in the past?

How many have you had more than a year?

How many were babies or spiderlings?

How many were adults?

What books have you consulted or read?

Waiting for your answer...

Rob1985 · Feb 23, 2012

To summarize the story here - "you're not ready to breed". The End

Shrike · Feb 23, 2012

A little initiative goes a long way in soliciting good answers from people. When information has already been covered and is easily available, most people aren't going to take the time to recreate the wheel. If you do your research and can ask more focused, specific questions, you'll be sure to get many quality responses.

Looking at your initial list of questions, I think you should pick up a copy of the Tarantula Keeper's Guide or Tarantulas and Other Arachnids. Most, if not all of your questions are addressed in these books. If you make a small investment of time and money the information you want will be at your disposal whenever you need it.

Aquacat · Feb 23, 2012

I'm FAR from an expert tarantula keeper, but I am a zoologist and have been caring for exotic animals for many, many years. The fact that you are not able to find such basic information on your own is kind of worrying, and if anything was to go wrong during the breeding process you would not know what to do based on the textbook answers you are asking for. I'm not sure what your motives are behind your desire to breed them, but I would suggest you hold off on it.

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