Mongoose and the cobra - reply

The Snark

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In reply to a query I received regarding my attitude towards the mongoose... I am an ardent naturalist but there is one animal in the world I utterly and completely despise. I haven't read about the mongoose and all my information has come from first hand observations and speaking with others who have had experience with them.

The mongoose evolved from a giant sewer rat, a member of the weasel family, and a chain saw. It is without peer in the animal kingdom as the most obnoxious, aggressive and belligerent. It is an omnivore with habits quite similar to a bear, but it's mentality makes serial killers look like Mother Theresa.

A mongoose got into the large snake pit at a snake farm tourist attraction a while back resulting in over 40 dead snakes, mostly Thai Cobras but also a dozen highly aggressive ultra hyper Asian Rat Snakes. They weren't just killed but mostly shredded.

The mongoose is the deadly enemy of the King Cobra. Where other snakes will commonly head into trees and bushes, the King will usually try to take refuge in a hole in the ground which is suicide. Oddly, for all it's innate athletic ability the mongoose doesn't appear arboreal at all.

I was once taking out the trash one night in Fiji, one of many places where the mongoose has wiped out nearly all native fauna. A mongoose was in the trash can. Instead of being it's usual furtive self, this one went for my hand. I waved my hand to get it to run off and it attacked again. I was wondering if it might have been rabid until several locals told me they often acted like that.

The mongoose is fully cosmopolitan. It can live in any location a rat can be found. IMHO, if it wasn't for their preference for warm climates, their extreme anti social tendencies among their own kind, and the advent of warfarin, they would eventually destroy all other animals in the temperate to tropical world.

Aggressive and NASTY! I saw a mongoose go after a 5 foot Asian rat snake which is one of the most hyper bite happy snakes in the world. The mongoose dived forward with a speed rivaling the strike of a rattler, got a bite, then shaking it's head it rapidly backed up resulting in a massive tearing wound out of all proportion to the original bite. 2 such bites killed the snake.

Anti social. Mongoose get into fights with each other all the time. They invade each others nests and slaughter any babies found. Sweet little darlings.

Riki Tiki Tavi was bullfeathers. Nobody in the know keeps a mongoose as a pet, unless they are really into bandages. It is never predictable. When kept in captivity there has to be protective measures to keep people from putting their fingers through the wire of a cage. The baby in that book would be wall to wall bandages after living with the darling for a few days.

They appear to like to fight, or insanely establish and defend their territory. At that house in Fiji a pair of mongoose went at it in the back yard. It looked to me like another mongoose joined in like a dog fight. The next morning I found two dead adult mongoose and three dead babies in the area, all shredded. What struck me was the condition of the bodies. In a normal animal fight the victims would have crawled off to die. Apparently the victorious aggressor kept right on attacking, probably after it's victim was dead.

I sometimes feel like starting an 'I hate Mongoose' club. I'd love it if someone could tell me one redeeming quality of these little monsters.
 

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There are 33 species of mongoose, with four additional species found in Madagascar. Many of the species can be easily domesticated, though, their high strung nature leads them to be quite destructive. In their natural habitat they serve a vital role within their ecological niche. As an introduced species, however, they quickly adapt and take over. The fact that this creature is so highly adaptable is a testament to its right to survival. Clearly its aggressive personality has served it well.
While you may not care for this species, I argue you can not call yourself an "ardent naturalist" and hold such disdain for a living creature. A true naturalist holds a fascination and reverence for living things, even those s/he does not like.
You say "I would love it if someone could tell me one redeeming quality"; I challenge you to prove the mongoose serves no purpose in the natural world, and that nothing would change were it to be completely eliminated.
 

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There are 33 species of mongoose, with four additional species found in Madagascar. Many of the species can be easily domesticated, though, their high strung nature leads them to be quite destructive. In their natural habitat they serve a vital role within their ecological niche. As an introduced species, however, they quickly adapt and take over. The fact that this creature is so highly adaptable is a testament to its right to survival. Clearly its aggressive personality has served it well.
While you may not care for this species, I argue you can not call yourself an "ardent naturalist" and hold such disdain for a living creature. A true naturalist holds a fascination and reverence for living things, even those s/he does not like.
I challenge you to prove the mongoose serves no purpose in the natural world, and that nothing would change were it to be completely eliminated.

I can't argue with you at all, and I appreciate the information. Obviously my prejudice has blinded me to a lot of knowledge of these animals. I would also forward a hypothesis that the mongoose could yield a lot of information on evolution, species survival, and adaptability, but it's naturally furtive secretive nature makes that extremely difficult or nearly impossible. My main reason for my prejudice is this is one of the few animals other than man that acts overtly viciously in what can easily be taken as a malicious manner.

By the way, within it's niche what are the natural enemies of the mongoose?
 
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i feel the same way about sea lions... they rank up there with ticks, mosquitos and other blood suckers in my book.

it's my understanding that some people find them quite adorable though:rolleyes:
 

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My main reason for my prejudice is this is one of the few animals other than man that acts overtly viciously in what can easily be taken as a malicious manner.

By the way, within it's niche what are the natural enemies of the mongoose?
Hyenas are quite vicious as well, blind mole rats too, and let us not forget the chimpanzee. These are a few of the creatures that will turn on their own clan and kill for nothing more than power and control.
Depending on geographical region predators can be birds of prey, jackals, coyotes, snakes...ect., and at the top of the list "man".

There is but one creature on this planet that would have no lasting effect should it be eradicated from existence...In fact the Earth would begin to heal without it.
 

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i feel the same way about sea lions... they rank up there with ticks, mosquitos and other blood suckers in my book.

it's my understanding that some people find them quite adorable though:rolleyes:
It is so easy to be blinded by prejudices! A perfect example would be the mosquito which not only spreads some wonderful diseases, it provides more effective inoculations to a vast number of diseases, many of which have yet to even be identified, than man could ever hope to accomplish.
 

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It is so easy to be blinded by prejudices! A perfect example would be the mosquito which not only spreads some wonderful diseases, it provides more effective inoculations to a vast number of diseases, many of which have yet to even be identified, than man could ever hope to accomplish.
That is the kind of attitude that will begin to turn humanity around, and bring humankind to begin to respect the planet and its life.
 

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Re: pwilson5. Okay, pop him in your shorts and take a home video for us. :rolleyes:
 

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Baboons are pretty nasty creatures, at least I think so. It'd still be cool to have a skull from a male baboon though :razz:
 

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People in the UK keep mongoose as pets. I haven't heard of it over here in the US yet, but there are far more awesome small mammal pets being kept overseas than there are here.
 

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I think I'd prefer a ferret to a mongoose for a pet;)
 

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I don't know, I think I'd prefer a mongoose to the last ferret I kept. She drew blood every chance she got, without so much as a warning. She'd leap at you and gouge skin out! Leather gloves would be chewed down to nothing with that girl....

Although I'm sure an untame mongoose would be a similar experience, lol.
 

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my ferret drew blood exactly twice. then i was terrified of him and didn't let him get me for 2 weeks (the second bite was pretty bad). finally i decided to bite the bullet and just stick my bare hand out there and take what came... he grabbed my fingers with his little hands and teeth and didn't hurt me at all. after that he was always super playful and gentle with me:D
 

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my ferret drew blood exactly twice. then i was terrified of him and didn't let him get me for 2 weeks (the second bite was pretty bad). finally i decided to bite the bullet and just stick my bare hand out there and take what came... he grabbed my fingers with his little hands and teeth and didn't hurt me at all. after that he was always super playful and gentle with me:D
my ferret would play with my dog... they would run back and forth and then we would hear a yelp from the next room and Evo (the dog) would come waddling into the room with a ferret attached to her nose...lol
 

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you think a mongoose is nasty look at some footage of wild wolverines..they have been know to kill prey 50 times there size and steal food from mountain lions and wolves..there one recorded incident where one tried to steal food from a bear that weighed 700lbs..they will fight till they get what they want or die trying.
 

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I don't know if this is true or not but a Woman at a pet shop told me not to get a Ferret if I have Dogs or Cats cause Ferrets can "Attack and injure them, or worse". Again, you have to take everything said in pet shops with a grain of salt.
 

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I don't know if this is true or not but a Woman at a pet shop told me not to get a Ferret if I have Dogs or Cats cause Ferrets can "Attack and injure them, or worse". Again, you have to take everything said in pet shops with a grain of salt.

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Cmon obviously any dog could kill a ferret outright with no problem what so ever. I have 6 ferrets and two rottie's three cats, and cats and dogs are both weary of the ferrets but i would never leave them unsupervised with cats or dogs only asking for trouble.
 

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my last ferret could hold her own against a cat easily. However, usually cats and ferrets get along great together and play with each other. I've had three ferrets in my life, and all three were completely and 100% fine with cats, whether it was my mother's four cats, or my own two cats at my house. We honestly didn't even supervise cat/ferret play, since they were such naturals together.

It's rabbits (even rabbits larger than ferrets), prairie dogs, rats, mice, hamsters, and other small mammal pets that you want to watch out for with a ferret, as they're natural prey to them and they can and will kill them easily. Ferrets were domesticated to help hunt rabbits after all, as well as kill rodents on ships, etc.
 
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