mature male balding?

darksidemxer

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Quick question. My wife said she read that a mature male can lose its hair on its abdomin and be bald until it dies. Is yhis true? I know what a bald patch from kicking hairs looks like but this isnt it. Can any one shed some light hee cuz she cant find the article again.
 

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A mature male can lose its urticating hair just like any other NW tarantula, regardless of sex. IME, because they tend to wander a lot, and are more skittish and flicky when mature, they tend to lose the hair fairly quickly and be "bald". Of course, since the maturing molt is usually their last molt, they will remain so until death.
 

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She was saying it had to do with the sperm web and mating. I cant find anything on it though lol.
 

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So there is no such thing as them rubbing hairs off only flicking them off or getting torn off from the substrate?
 

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So there is no such thing as them rubbing hairs off only flicking them off or getting torn off from the substrate?
The hairs are on the rear part of the abdomen, and would have little contact, if any, with the substrate as they pull themselves forward under a sperm web. If the hairs came off that easily, all new world tarantulas would be going bald simply manouvering in the tight confines of their burrows. The hairs evolved as a defense against predators; if they easily rub off in day-to-day life, they won't have them when they need them. Same reason venomous snakes give a lot of dry bites; if the run thru their venom too fast, they're at a big disadvantage for a while. Also the same reason real soldiers don't use full auto very often (unlike in Hollywood), as they'd blow thru all their ammo in a few seconds. In all the above scenarios, the primary defensive/offensive weapon is rationed and used wisely. Evolution sees to that.

I highly recommend that you get Stan Schultz's book, 'Tarantula Keepers Guide' and read that. It will clear up a lot of questions and misconceptions you might have.
 

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It was something making a guess, not a correct one.

Actually, I had to think about this for a few minutes before I could completely wrap my mind around the concept. Yes, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the male will lose a few bristles every time he crawls under a sperm web much the way a mechanic will pick up or lose dirt or a loose tool as he rolls under a vehicle with a mechanic's dolly. But, the loss of any such bristles would be coincidental to the whole process, and even counterproductive to survival, rather than an integral and necessary part of sperm web construction, sperm induction or any part of the mating process.

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Lol thanks pikaia! I guess my wife gets cudos for knowing what she is talking about lol.
And how's that again? IF a male tarantula loses any fur at all from crawling under a sperm web, it's neglible. As Stan pointed out, it's counterproductive for them to lose hairs this way. Adult males are out wandering around looking for females, facing more risks and predators than females do, and need to save their hairs for defensive purposes.
 

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its the point that it can happen. I did not believe that they would lose hairs from their own web. Yes and while out wandering around they will not really lose them, but in a small enclosure wandering they will encounter their web far more making it more noticeable. Everything while in captivity is exaggerated of course. This was just a stupid conversation we were having and i wanted to clarify so we can close it. You really sound as though you are confrontational in your posts. Are you intending for it to come off that way?
 

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its the point that it can happen. I did not believe that they would lose hairs from their own web. Yes and while out wandering around they will not really lose them, but in a small enclosure wandering they will encounter their web far more making it more noticeable. Everything while in captivity is exaggerated of course. This was just a stupid conversation we were having and i wanted to clarify so we can close it. You really sound as though you are confrontational in your posts. Are you intending for it to come off that way?
It's just that I have 40 years experience with a lot of tarantulas have some idea what I'm talking about. There's a lot of off-the-wall assumptions in this hobby that get perpetuated online. Besides males losing a lot of hairs in sperm webs, some people think calcium causes molting problems, or that Avics need really high humidity, etc. Things get quoted and circulated as fact when they're not. I get 5 to 10+ thanks a day for helping people here.
 

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I clicked this thread thinking I would find an answer to why MMs bald on their carapace...Hate to change the topic, because I already know the answer to the abdomen balding, but I'm curious about the carapace balding. Anybody have any knowledge on this?
 

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it is cool that you have so many years and i am in no way saying otherwise but, i have no way of knowing this. I am not saying you do not know your info or that you dont help people just saying i like to get more than one opinion *which in most things is the right choice* and when someone comes off as hostile it doesnt help. The biggest issue like you stated is people circulate things and then state them as facts, and it is nearly impossible to find out what is BS, what is an educated guess, and what is clearly fact. Anyone on here can say they are an expert and get a million thanks a day but that means squat to me so...again, i like to have a few opinions. Lol you cant blame me for being skeptical in a hobby where, lets be honest her, little is known and tons of things are constantly disputed. HELL! everyone says a T.blondi's temp and humidity is CRUCIAL! it MUST be a certain way...but as i have found thanks to Mr.Schultz, it is vastly overrated. Again thank you, and i hope there are no hard feelings.
 

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You're quoting a guy, who is admittingly just making a guess, and conclude that's some sort of irrefutable proof. You're assuming that he stumbled onto to this revelation and that I have probably fabricated my experience and knowledge. Thank you. Why so much faith in him pulling stuff out of the air? I've had many mature male NW tarantulas over the decades and they have their abdomenal hairs after their first sperm web or two. So that's not why they're losing urticaing hair. It's from being high strung and kicking.

Have you owned adult Theraphosa? How many T's have you owned in general and for how long?
 

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so you are saying Stan Schults...the guy who wrote the book you are telling me to read is wrong about something? because that completely contradicts what you said....i contacted him directly because of this reason right here....people like you that consider themselves experts with no proof. I contacted him because he has written a book and he HAS been used as a reference by many people. As for the webbing thing, I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE WRONG so get sit back...take a deep breath mr.expert and chill. What i am saying is...IT IS POSSIBLE. Until you write a book and prove in some way you are an expert IDC how many years you have been raising Tarantulas. As for me, i just started 5 years back. I have owned including now 7, But i am not claiming to be an expert. The things i am an "expert" in are not relevant here unless you need some schooling in Counter Terrorism and Critical Incident Management. That I can claim to have knowledge in. I do not see why it is so hard for you to get that without proof your word is just as good as another. You seem to be taking serious offense to the fact that i am not holding your words as fact as if god himself spoke it. It is people like you that make it difficult for new information to be discussed and discovered simply because YOU DIDNT FIND IT OUT YOURSELF. In theory, if a T is high strung from being horny, could he not lose his hair? have you done extensive studies on it? published peer reviewed articles on the matter? Collaborated with other "experts" in the field to validate the plausibility of this? No? well then how do you know? lol I am just ruffling your feathers here, i do not believe that it even happens like that....but until studies are done we dont know. Hell there could be one odd ball T out there that does lol. Lol i think you just need to relax when people say they dont believe you that is all.
Oh and to just clarify, again...i put faith in him because he is regarded as an expert...isnt a self absorbed person...AND after emailing other "experts" in this field that have written books they have concluded similar things...including with the Blondi info.
 

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so you are saying Stan Schults...the guy who wrote the book you are telling me to read is wrong about something?
Stan will be the first to admit he doesn't know everything about tarantulas, or that he's always right. Thanks for staying calm and not resorting to insults. Always appreciated.

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everyone says a T.blondi's temp and humidity is CRUCIAL! it MUST be a certain way... it is vastly overrated.
I don't think you can tell that after 10 days with a Theraphosa.
 

darksidemxer

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The t.blondi quote there is directly from stan. I was worried about temps and humidity. He said it is "vastly over rated" not me.
 

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Please keep things in topic. If you have off topic issues with each other please take it to PMs.
I'd rather not have to lock this thread, as it could prove for some interesting discussion.

Any off topic posts will be removed.

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