Mating a bigger male

Vincent Robert James

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Hello,
im about to try pairing my G. Pulchripes. Male is 14cm long and Female 12.5cm.

will that be okay ? or i shouldn't mate them ?

Thank you :D
 

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Size isn't important what is though are they both mature? Males do have a longer leg span and should have tibial hooks if mature
 

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Hello,
im about to try pairing my G. Pulchripes. Male is 14cm long and Female 12.5cm.

will that be okay ? or i shouldn't mate them ?

Thank you :D
At that size for a female, it should have either a fully develop spermathecae or close to a fully developed one. I'm guessing the male is mature based on that size?? But I can't say the female is ready, unless her spermathecae is fully developed. But I recommend them both to be atleast close to the same size before breeding.
 

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At that size for a female, it should have either a fully develop spermathecae or close to a fully developed one. I'm guessing the male is mature based on that size?? But I can't say the female is ready, unless her spermathecae is fully developed. But I recommend them both to be atleast close to the same size before breeding.
If the op means DLS with these sizes males do get longer legs and can grow to about 20cm
 

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If the op means DLS with these sizes males do get longer legs and can grow to about 20cm
Males are leggy for G. pulchripes, as what you stated. But I have never seen a 20cm MM G. pulchripes in person before. Most MM G. pulchripes average from 5.5''-6'' (14cm-15.25cm). Even a 7'' MM is quite the size for them. Even my G. pulchripes MM was only 5.75'' (around 14.5 cm). I didn't say that they have to be close to the same size to breed. I just "recommended" it. But as I already stated, spermathecae development is what is important for the female to determine maturity.
 

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Males are leggy for G. pulchripes, as what you stated. But I have never seen a 20cm MM G. pulchripes in person before. Most MM G. pulchripes average from 5.5''-6'' (14cm-15.25cm). Even a 7'' MM is quite the size for them. Even my G. pulchripes MM was only 5.75'' (around 14.5 cm). I didn't say that they have to be close to the same size to breed. I just "recommended" it. But as I already stated, spermathecae development is what is important for the female to determine maturity.
Probs better the male is bigger it should have more of chance of survival
 

Vincent Robert James

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At that size for a female, it should have either a fully develop spermathecae or close to a fully developed one. I'm guessing the male is mature based on that size?? But I can't say the female is ready, unless her spermathecae is fully developed. But I recommend them both to be atleast close to the same size before breeding.
what's the sign of fully developed spermatheca ?
 

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what's the sign of fully developed spermatheca ?
A good sign is a fully formed flap (spermathecae) on a molt. If you can find her last molt and check her spermathecae it should be one flap. The best I can explain it is that most young female tarantulas will have a two small flaps, and as they mature the flap infuses becoming one sing flap.
This is NOT a G. pulchripes, but this is an example of what a fully developed spermathecae looks likes.
View media item 49838Another example
View media item 50815
 

Vincent Robert James

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This is the ventral of my G.pulchripes, can you help me ?

A good sign is a fully formed flap (spermathecae) on a molt. If you can find her last molt and check her spermathecae it should be one flap. The best I can explain it is that most young female tarantulas will have a two small flaps, and as they mature the flap infuses becoming one sing flap.
This is NOT a G. pulchripes, but this is an example of what a fully developed spermathecae looks likes.
View media item 49838Another example
View media item 50815
I see, but i just bought this a couple days ago, i dont have the skin.
 

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This is the ventral of my G.pulchripes, can you help me ?
Well..... that ventral looks to be the female?? If it is the female, then you can't breed her like that just yet. You really need to feed her a lot before introducing the male. Because if you don't, she is going to eat him for a snack during breeding. The only way to know now is to try to breed them, to see if she is responsive to the male. But you really got to feed her, That abdomen is way too skinny for breeding. I would legit feed her like 2-4 large female dubias before trying to breed her.
 

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Well..... that ventral looks to be the female?? If it is the female, then you can't breed her like that just yet. You really need to feed her a lot before introducing the male. Because if you don't, she is going to eat him for a snack during breeding. The only way to know now is to try to breed them, to see if she is responsive to the male. But you really got to feed her, That abdomen is way too skinny for breeding. I would legit feed her like 2-4 large female dubias before trying to breed her.
Noted, will do thank you so much for your advices. Cheers mate, will update with the result.
 

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OP -

You should not attempt to breed a female you just purchased. She needs to be fed and allowed to settle in. Do you know when her last molt was? That is important information when you plan to breed.

A good sign is a fully formed flap (spermathecae) on a molt. If you can find her last molt and check her spermathecae it should be one flap. The best I can explain it is that most young female tarantulas will have a two small flaps, and as they mature the flap infuses becoming one sing flap.
This is NOT a G. pulchripes, but this is an example of what a fully developed spermathecae looks likes.
Also the spermacethae will be darkened.
 

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If the op means DLS with these sizes males do get longer legs and can grow to about 20cm
Never have I seen MM pulchripes even close to that size...MMs do not reach the sizes females do generally.
Most MM G. pulchripes average from 5.5''-6'' (14cm-15.25cm).
Even that would be an unusually large MM.
Probs better the male is bigger it should have more of chance of survival
That's not how it works.
what's the sign of fully developed spermatheca ?
They will be darkened, the term is sclerotized.
This is the ventral of my G.pulchripes, can you help me ?
This will give no indication of maturity.

Please do not pair unless you are sure her spermatheca is sclerotized, other wise you are just feeding ts to one another and you never know which will be the one being eaten.

I've paired a few ts where the male was larger than the female, its never once been an issue. I have also paired small MMs with large females, survival rates do not seem to be effected by sizes of the ts as long as both are mature.
 

Vincent Robert James

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Never have I seen MM pulchripes even close to that size...MMs do not reach the sizes females do generally.

Even that would be an unusually large MM.

That's not how it works.

They will be darkened, the term is sclerotized.


This will give no indication of maturity.

Please do not pair unless you are sure her spermatheca is sclerotized, other wise you are just feeding ts to one another and you never know which will be the one being eaten.

I've paired a few ts where the male was larger than the female, its never once been an issue. I have also paired small MMs with large females, survival rates do not seem to be effected by sizes of the ts as long as both are mature.
Thank you for replying. Is there anyway i can know she is ready for pairing by now ?

And about darkened spermatheca, can i see it clearly on her ventral ?

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OP -

You should not attempt to breed a female you just purchased. She needs to be fed and allowed to settle in. Do you know when her last molt was? That is important information when you plan to breed.



Also the spermacethae will be darkened.
Yap planning to pair em in next two weeks
 
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Its better to wait for your female to molt, that way your pairing won't go to waste if the female decides to molt a few months after mating instead of dropping an egg sac. And so that you could also check the exuviae if your female is really mature.
 

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The male won't get hurt in this pairing, but the female absolutely could be injured or killed.
 

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The male won't get hurt in this pairing, but the female absolutely could be injured or killed.
You cannot present this statement as fact. There is always a risk to either spider in a pairing... being larger than the female does not automatically make the male safe, nor does being smaller than the male automatically make the female at risk.

Pairings should always be done with tools at the ready to separate the Ts if things go badly, but also with the awareness of the fact that sometimes Ts are eaten during attempted pairings, and whether or not that happens is not influenced by the size of the Ts involved.
 

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Yap planning to pair em in next two weeks
You are pushing this unnecessarily and you could end up with a dead male. Mature males of this species last a long time and, while it is better to breed a 'fresh' male, he won't be any use to you later on if he's dead. Waiting until the female moults, confirming that she is in fact mature, and ensuring that she won't moult before laying an egg sac is important with this species. This is not a species who lays an egg sac six weeks after pairing like some species.
She could kill him due to not being mature, moult a couple of months from now, and be a mature female. If you had just waited until confirming, he would be alive and you would still have a fresh enough male to have a successful breeding scenario. My male has been mature for over two years and was still making sperm webs at a year of maturity.
You really need to do more homework on breeding.
 
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