Malaysian black and gold

[Goliath]

I got these a while ago from Botar and they are really cool. Starting to get some nice color too.

mike

They went from this.

to this.

notice the venom in this one.

 

[syndicate]

very cool man!whats up with that venom dripping
fierce little guys eh?

 

[hamfoto]

Don't let her get 'cha! I don't think anyone knows what their venom is like...generally, bright colors like that mean leave me alone, I'm nasty...

Chris

 

[thedude]

is that a huntsman, orb weaver or jumping spider

 

[lucanidae]

Segestriidae I believe, would love to get my hands on some of those! How long did it take to go from small instar to full colored adult?

 

[Erigo]

I think that it is a Sparassidae.. The ocular disposition is same.. Segestriidae have a disposition completely different, and they have six eyes, the leg disposition is different because segestriidae have 6 legs towards ahead and 2 toward back; while this spider have eight eyes. this spider have the superior row of eyes identical to sparassidae.

Could you post a clear immage of ocular disposition?

Sorry for my english

Bye!

 

[lucanidae]

http://botarby8s.com/images/truespiders/blackyellow2.jpg

You can see in this picture that the eye pattern is definitely not Sparassidae. Also, look at the young, no Sparassid spiderlings look like that. I'm not really sure they are Segestriidae, but their lifestyle in captivity would definitely give it away....plus that is what the dealer is calling them.

 

[Erigo]

I'm confused.. is possible that you are right.. but the disposition ocular remember me the disposition of sparassidae Megaloremmius leo (this spider though is in sparassidae I think that it have a particular ocular disposition; of course this spider not anything concern with Megaloremmius, i post this immage just for comparison)
http://www.dimijianimages.com/More-p19-Madagascar-p6/Megaloremmius-leo-spider-Madagascar-gallery.htm

I think that the ocular disposition of this spider not concern with segestriidae..

I post ocular disposition of segestria sp.

http://www.araneae.unibe.ch/Bestimmung/familienschluessel/segestriidae/segestria/bra-104-7.gif

Perhaps, can be that laterals eyes of lower row not are clerarly visible in this photo..

 

[Goliath]

syndicate,

All I did was put a metal rod infront of him to stop him and he reared up and you could see the venom start to come out.

Erigo,

I wish I could get a better picture of the eyes but that feature is still too small to capture even for the macro lens I have.

Eric,

The time between the 2 pictures is about 5 1/2 months and they still have a good amount of growing to do. In my experience with these guys in captivity they act in all manners like Salticidae. As far as I know they are not in that family but they do act like them. They will jump for prey, have very good eye sight, and also build a silken retreat much like a jumper. They are also very adept at taking prey much larger than themselves without any hesitation, 2 to 3X their size.

mike

 

[lhystrix]

http://botarby8s.com/images/truespiders/blackyellow2.jpg

You can see in this picture that the eye pattern is definitely not Sparassidae. Also, look at the young, no Sparassid spiderlings look like that. I'm not really sure they are Segestriidae, but their lifestyle in captivity would definitely give it away....plus that is what the dealer is calling them.

I agree with Erigo about Sparassidae. 83 genera and numerous species, at least 21 genera in Southeast Asia. While they do have two eye rows, there is variation between genera. There is no set eye pattern for every genus in the family.

What makes you think no Sparassidae spiderlings look like that? Many huntsman spiders have long, slender abdomens. Many spiders also change shape throughout their life cycle. A good example that you may be familiar with is the Silver Argiope; the abdomens of early instars look nothing like those of adults.

 

[Erigo]

Many huntsman spiders have long, slender abdomens. Many spiders also change shape throughout their life cycle. A good example that you may be familiar with is the Silver Argiope; the abdomens of early instars look nothing like those of adults.

I agree with jeff.. for example Palystes sp., Heteropoda sp. are a sparassidae with a long and slender abdomen..

 

[Galapoheros]

Hello Goliath, it looks like you could get a better shot of the spider's eyes if you had more light, the pic looks too dark to get the eyes, but sounds like it might take some work to shoot again with more light. I messed with the contrast and brightness with your pic and could see some eyes. I just took a pic of the eyes on a big sparassid I found yesterday, let me know if you want me to post it.

 

[lucanidae]

The behavior you describe definitely corresponds more with Sparrasiidae then it does with Segestriidae. Weird that the dealer would have them labeled as something so unlike what they seem to be.

 

[Erigo]

Maybe that the photo of Lucanidae not show the same specie of Goliath?

I research more photos of thi spider.. and I find this:http://www.savagedigital.com/myalbum/

The route is: main menu-open menu-the wild-icky and the 84 photo

The album show that this spider is African, not Asian (the spider of Goliath is asian, malaysian).
This photo show clearly 8 eyes.. so, this isn't segestriidae..
The ocular disposition remember me Amaurobiidae.. this family make a retreat and behaviour similar to segestria sp. (this way confirm thesis of Lucanidae).

Ocular disposition of Amaurobiidae:

http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images/Pictures/Callobius_claustrarius_han_1735.jpg


ocular disposition of Miturgidae:

http://www.volny.cz/alspiders/clubionidae_Cheiracanthium_erraticum_M5.jpg

http://volny.cz/ergomusic/clubionidae_Cheiracantium_virescens_F1.jpg


http://www.volny.cz/alspiders/clubionidae_Cheiracanthium_erraticum_F2.jpg

For me, the ocular disposition of goliath's spider is different to spider of lucanidae.
So, the spider of Goliath is sparassidae, the spider of Lucanidae maybe Amaurobiidae or Miturgidae ( the spinnerets pattern can be similar) or another family because this disposition ocular is similar in many families. I'm very confused; Whatever we need size, behaviour..

 

[Goliath]

Maybe that the photo of Lucanidae not show the same specie of Goliath?

I research more photos of thi spider.. and I find this:http://www.savagedigital.com/myalbum/

The route is: main menu-open menu-the wild-icky and the 84 photo

The album show that this spider is African, not Asian (the spider of Goliath is asian, malaysian).
This photo show clearly 8 eyes.. so, this isn't segestriidae..
The ocular disposition remember me Amaurobiidae.. this family make a retreat and behaviour similar to segestria sp. (this way confirm thesis of Lucanidae).

Ocular disposition of Amaurobiidae:

http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images/Pictures/Callobius_claustrarius_han_1735.jpg


ocular disposition of Miturgidae:

http://www.volny.cz/alspiders/clubionidae_Cheiracanthium_erraticum_M5.jpg

http://volny.cz/ergomusic/clubionidae_Cheiracantium_virescens_F1.jpg


http://www.volny.cz/alspiders/clubionidae_Cheiracanthium_erraticum_F2.jpg

For me, the ocular disposition of goliath's spider is different to spider of lucanidae.
So, the spider of Goliath is sparassidae, the spider of Lucanidae maybe Amaurobiidae or Miturgidae ( the spinnerets pattern can be similar) or another family because this disposition ocular is similar in many families. I'm very confused; Whatever we need size, behaviour..

I will try to get a better picture if possible to show the eyes. The picture Lucanidae posted from Botar's site is the picture of the mother of the babies that I have. They are the same species, I do not know why it is listed under African on Randy's site, probably just a mix up.

Thanks,
mike

 

[Goliath]

Galapoheros,

I would like to see that picture. You are correct if I had more light it would be no problem, but I will try. I really need to get some good photofloods and a diffuser to solve the problem. Usually I will take pictures outside, unfortunately is about 10 F here so that option is out.

mike

 

[Erigo]

I'm very convused :? :wall:

 

[Galapoheros]

OK, I found a few Olios giganteus over the weekend out in the desert. Someone here in Austin had to tell me what they were, I'm very surprised I hadn't looked into them before. I tried to get a good face shot after I read this thread. Maybe it will help out a little.

 

[syndicate]

wow thats a nice spider there Galapho!
any more shots of her?

 

[Galapoheros]

Yeah I took more pics, I should prob start another thread for it though. But that pic is probably the best one anyway. So is the spider in this thread a Sparassidae? How big do this get, or did I miss that info?