Lighting and tailless whip scorpions

[jufa]

Hi I was wondering what the consensus was on keeping whip scorpions (specifically Damon diadem,) in planted enclosures with LED plant lights is? I’ve read a study that showed that some species of terrestrial old world tarantulas and forest scorpions get stressed out when exposed to Florissant lighting even with hides. The study however never concluded whether it had actual affects on lifespan etc.

Ive seen multiple people online keep tailless whip scorpions online in planted enclosures but I don’t want to buy an expensive planted enclosure if the animal will get stressed out living in it.

 

[jufa]

Never mind I just found another thread I guess the answer is no?

 

[Biollantefan54]

I dont see a problem with it as long as it’s not on all day and night. If it has a timer, it’s not different than the wild if they have places to hide (unless it’s a cave sp that only lives in complete darkness)

edit: apparently the consensus is that lights are bad, even though they experience light in the wild lol. Different husbandry styles I guess

 

[darkness975]

Hi I was wondering what the consensus was on keeping whip scorpions (specifically Damon diadem,) in planted enclosures with LED plant lights is? I’ve read a study that showed that some species of terrestrial old world tarantulas and forest scorpions get stressed out when exposed to Florissant lighting even with hides. The study however never concluded whether it had actual affects on lifespan etc.

Ive seen multiple people online keep tailless whip scorpions online in planted enclosures but I don’t want to buy an expensive planted enclosure if the animal will get stressed out living in it.

They are highly photosensitive.

 

[that1ocelot]

Hi I was wondering what the consensus was on keeping whip scorpions (specifically Damon diadem,) in planted enclosures with LED plant lights is? I’ve read a study that showed that some species of terrestrial old world tarantulas and forest scorpions get stressed out when exposed to Florissant lighting even with hides. The study however never concluded whether it had actual affects on lifespan etc.

Ive seen multiple people online keep tailless whip scorpions online in planted enclosures but I don’t want to buy an expensive planted enclosure if the animal will get stressed out living in it.

You mentioned the animals get stressed out - why not leave it at that? The answer is no.

I've got more than 10 different species of ambly with all different care requirements, but they all share one thing in common - they absolutely hate light. I've got a species that is literally blind but still has the means to sense light...and it runs from it every chance it gets.

 

[jufa]

You mentioned the animals get stressed out - why not leave it at that? The answer is no.

I've got more than 10 different species of ambly with all different care requirements, but they all share one thing in common - they absolutely hate light. I've got a species that is literally blind but still has the means to sense light...and it runs from it every chance it gets.

I mentioned that ground dwelling old world tarantulas and forest scorpions get stressed out by Florescent love lighting. I was asking about whip scorpions. Anyway thanks for the input.

 

[jufa]

I dont see a problem with it as long as it’s not on all day and night. If it has a timer, it’s not different than the wild if they have places to hide (unless it’s a cave sp that only lives in complete darkness)

edit: apparently the consensus is that lights are bad, even though they experience light in the wild lol. Different husbandry styles I guess

Yeah I find it weird that animals that normally live outside get stressed out by lighting even in pitch black hides while they sleep but it is what it is.

 

[Purplepuffball]

You mentioned the animals get stressed out - why not leave it at that? The answer is no.

I've got more than 10 different species of ambly with all different care requirements, but they all share one thing in common - they absolutely hate light. I've got a species that is literally blind but still has the means to sense light...and it runs from it every chance it gets.

I don't see why a daylight cycle could be bad as long as you provide enough hides as a retreat? It just means you will see the animal less.

 

[Purplepuffball]

I dont see a problem with it as long as it’s not on all day and night. If it has a timer, it’s not different than the wild if they have places to hide (unless it’s a cave sp that only lives in complete darkness)

edit: apparently the consensus is that lights are bad, even though they experience light in the wild lol. Different husbandry styles I guess

I've actually kept my phrynus marginemaculatus under a heat lamp- and I gave her plenty of bark to hide to avoid light if she wants to- and the increase in temperature actually expedited the rate which the eggs hatched- showing that it doesn't actually stress out the animal considering that if it had she would have just dropped the eggs.

 

[that1ocelot]

I've actually kept my phrynus marginemaculatus under a heat lamp- and I gave her plenty of bark to hide to avoid light if she wants to- and the increase in temperature actually expedited the rate which the eggs hatched- showing that it doesn't actually stress out the animal considering that if it had she would have just dropped the eggs.

In your case the goal is to directly benefit the animal while an LED lamp isn't. I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, I just don't see why you need to stress the animal out for no reason other than to have pretty plants.

Just because things happen in nature doesn't mean we should introduce the same thing. The natural ebb and flow of the sun is very different from 8 hours of an intense light source. Consider that in their main habitats. on/under rocks, tree buttress' and caves - direct sunlight is rare. Even during the day time. There's just no practical reason t give supplemental light that will benefit the animal.

There's probably populations of D. Diadema who have never seen the sun, or close to it.

 

[schmiggle]

In your case the goal is to directly benefit the animal while an LED lamp isn't. I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, I just don't see why you need to stress the animal out for no reason other than to have pretty plants.

Just because things happen in nature doesn't mean we should introduce the same thing. The natural ebb and flow of the sun is very different from 8 hours of an intense light source. Consider that in their main habitats. on/under rocks, tree buttress' and caves - direct sunlight is rare. Even during the day time. There's just no practical reason t give supplemental light that will benefit the animal.

There's probably populations of D. Diadema who have never seen the sun, or close to it.

The vast majority of D. diadema individuals come from savannahs with intense sunlight. Do they avoid it like the plague? Absolutely, but to me that suggests that LED lighting ought to be fine as long as you give them a place to avoid it.

All you have to do to simulate sunrisw is hook the LED's up to a gradual timer, and probably use yellower ones instead of the bright blue and red ones that are the standard. I've always grown CPs under white or yellow lights, and they seem not to care; I'd be surprised if bromeliads are different.

If you wanna keep whipspiders like the pros, all you need is a cereal Tupperware, a styrofoam slab, and some coco fiber. But if you wanna do something fancy, I personally don't see the issue as long as their needs--a dark hide where they feel safe and darkness at night--are provided for. A lot of these guys wouldn't be as widespread in the wild as they are if they weren't deeply adaptable.

 

[that1ocelot]

The vast majority of D. diadema individuals come from savannahs with intense sunlight. Do they avoid it like the plague? Absolutely, but to me that suggests that LED lighting ought to be fine as long as you give them a place to avoid it.

All you have to do to simulate sunrisw is hook the LED's up to a gradual timer, and probably use yellower ones instead of the bright blue and red ones that are the standard. I've always grown CPs under white or yellow lights, and they seem not to care; I'd be surprised if bromeliads are different.

If you wanna keep whipspiders like the pros, all you need is a cereal Tupperware, a styrofoam slab, and some coco fiber. But if you wanna do something fancy, I personally don't see the issue as long as their needs--a dark hide where they feel safe and darkness at night--are provided for. A lot of these guys wouldn't be as widespread in the wild as they are if they weren't deeply adaptable.

I agree. I've seen planted enclosures done well and the keeper has had success.

But the question was "does it stress the animal" and the answer is "Yes, more light stresses out Amblypygi." I just think there are better candidates for bioactive. I'm sure the animal will live a happy healthy life with or without light.