Least venomous snake

InigoKrithik

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Alright so I've been interested in venomous snakes for a couple months now. I know ai'm not gonna get hots anytime soon but im just doing some research. If I get a hot I would want a viper that is fairly repuctant to bite and that has a very low ld50 and no more than 75 mgs of venom to be just a little bit safer if I do get bit.
 

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False water cobra or a mangrove snake; both are rear fanged and mildly venomous. As for real hots, I would start with a species local to you that is most likely to have antivenom around
 

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Copperhead bites are rarely dangerous, and I believe antivenin is readily available, though I'm not positive. Being tagged would not be pleasant, but your long term prognosis would probably be good.
 

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With that opening post do more research. See if there is a someone who is willing to mentor you.
 

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Alright so I've been interested in venomous snakes for a couple months now. I know ai'm not gonna get hots anytime soon but im just doing some research. If I get a hot I would want a viper that is fairly repuctant to bite and that has a very low ld50 and no more than 75 mgs of venom to be just a little bit safer if I do get bit.
The successful hots owners I know all had mentors.

Mangroves are good starters in terms of venom.

Banded kraits are also good in the temperament department.
 

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Americans usually starting with Agkistrodon, Europeans with Vipera. Venomous snakes is a different world than anything in arachnids, the risks is much higher and the animals are much smarter, even for these earlier species.

Earlier poster is right, you need mentor to begin keeping hots. To try to do on your own, is foolish and probably death.
 

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Boiga dendrophila is a pretty decent species of rear-fanged colubrids. The only thing I don’t like about them is that they’re fairly delicate and can sometimes be difficult to find, especially if you want CBB.
While not a hot, pituophis species of snakes are a good start for practice. They exhibit a lot of what you can expect behaviorally from a venomous snake while being a constrictor, such as defensive posturing and flightiness.
 

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If you want a training snake, practice snake, Ptyas Mucosa would be an excellent choice. Least threatened, adaptable, durable, strong, fast and very often, bite happy. The reptile equivalent of the Heteropoda Venatoria. If you can keep it contained and content for an extended period of time, no easy feat, graduate up towards hots.
What the hobby doesn't need is threatened exotics being used as training tools.

Personally, my training working with rattlesnakes, Viridis and Atrox, gave me skills that have proven useful for the rest of my life. IE, handling snakes while never, ever, entering the strike zone. Knowing the potential strike zone and respecting it 100% of the time. Came in so very handy getting a huge krait off the road a couple of years ago. Just naturally building that strike zone in my mind when this normally slow laconic snake went Jekyll and Hyde, turning into a loaded gun with a hair trigger. (NEVER tail grab a krait)
 
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InigoKrithik

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Ive read theough alll the replies and I have a general-ish answer. As I have said im not planning on getting a hot any time soon, Im just doing research because Im curious right now. And I will never make such a rookie mistake as getting hots without having a mentor to learn how to care for and be safe around hots cause that would be very unresponsible of me. And also before getting a venomous myself I will work with experienced keepers hots and probably get a mangrove because they are just georgous and that pytas mucosa for having fun and also practicing the be safe around hots. And the reason I would want a viper is because they generally have hemotoxic venom and elapids have primarilly neurotoxic venom that can permanantly damage my brain and I am scared of the possibility of not being able to move around and aldo have troubles breathing because I screw up when moving a elapid for cleaning and getting tagged. I hope that answers most of the questions and sorry for any typos, Im on a phone that has the auto correct capabilities of a towel.
 

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Commendable attitude.
And the reason I would want a viper is because they generally have hemotoxic venom
Plus you get the added hemotoxin bonus. That agony where you wouldn't mind the doc sawing your extremity off with a blunt pruning saw to get rid of the pain. It's a simply marvelous reminder to keep track of strike zones in the future.

I'll give you a little heads up on hemotoxins. When they gave me the anti-venin I was warned I may become allergic to bee, wasp and ant stings. A year later I got a bee sting and was light headed for a couple of hours. The next bee sting had me praying at the porcelain altar. Then years down the road I ate a delicacy here that had ant eggs. I was sick as a dog with the whole galaxy of anaphylaxis symptoms for about 18 hours.
 
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InigoKrithik

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It's a simply marvelous reminder to keep track of strike zones in the future.
As Ive said in my earlier post, I am not getting a hot any time soon and Im goint to have a mentor so I can learn to be safe around hots including staying far away from the strike zone. And also thanks for the suggestion of the Pytas Mucosa, they are very intriguing.
 
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KeGathings17

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Hey at least you're doing it right and understand the consequences of owning a hot snake can have on not only you, your bank account, but also the views of keeping these snakes in the public eye, I believe people should have the right to own hots, but inexperience, and arrogance really hurts the intelligent, hard working keepers that keep their risks to an absolute minimum, I.E. people you dont hear about getting bit by their pet snake and end up headline news, plus the legality of all these things in different countries, states, counties, etc. I would love to get into the venomous world, but I am in no rush to ruin the 'fun' for the people who have been doing this for longer than I have been alive. I've also thought about going to a venomous handling course they do down in Arizona, for the herp society or something like that, before even trying to think about getting a mentor, and also experience with lots more herps in general! Don't be discouraged, just be smart!
 

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Pre and post synaptic venom though.. You could end up with life long brain damage.
Steve Irwin is reported to have been given a major arse chewing from medical experts for casually handling kraits in one video. A bite is normally a life or death race with every incident and life long debility of some degree is usually expected.

There was an interesting account of a man in India, well educated in some bio-science field, who suffered from what was diagnosed as chronic emphysema, severe to acute. Just prior to his death it was determined he had in fact latent krait envenomation from working with animals during his school years. When the incident happened is unknown as was the pathway of the envenomation. He had no recollection of ever being bitten. Just a scratch or abrasion and some venom coming in contact?
 
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Steve Irwin is reported to have been given a major arse chewing from medical experts for casually handling kraits in one video. A bite is normally a life or death race with every incident and life long debility of some degree is usually expected.

There was an interesting account of a man in India, well educated in some bio-science field, who suffered from what was diagnosed as chronic emphysema, severe to acute. Just prior to his death it was determined he had in fact latent krait envenomation from working with animals during his school years. When the incident happened is unknown as was the pathway of the envenomation. He had no recollection of ever being bitten. Just a scratch or abrasion and some venom coming in contact?
Yea it's wicked stuff.. Any idea how much time elapsed before he became symptomatic? I have heard several reports of the venom taking up to 48 hrs to set in.. We had simar happen in florida.. This kid was black with a black on yellow got bit and didn't show any signs of invenomation for 24-26 hrs..
 

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Any idea how much time elapsed before he became symptomatic?
No info on that, but considering much of the environments of those locales, suburbs around the cities, it could easily have been chalked off as disease or environmental poisoning. I understand that the venom onset usually comes in two waves, the first relatively mild before the synapses get in on things. Sadly in areas where kraits are common the general attitude is if the patient becomes symptomatic it is too late. Logistics weighs in and deaths are quite common before proper medical care can be administered. If someone in a non krait area where antivenin isn't readily available and nobody is trained and oriented, like in the US or Europe, gets a good tag from a krait it would mean kissing your arse goodbye.
 
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