Is Psalmopoeus sp. "Black Orchid" a Psalmopoeus reduncus?

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Arachnoknight
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For several years, a tree-dwelling and very dark-coloured tarantula species from Panama has been known in the tarantula hobby scene under the term Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ (Pic 1). There was a belief that it could actually be Psalmopoeus reduncus (Karsch, 1880). In 2018, Gabriel reported on a very dark species of Psalmopoeus that he found ‘...in the cloud forest mountains of Panama...’ and which he apparently thought was identical to P. reduncus based on the colour variation that Valerio had given for this species in 1980. Whether the Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ is the form found by Gabriel and whether it belongs to the species Psalmopoeus reduncus, however, could apparently not yet be scientifically examined. Recently, however, we received two preserved adult males of this Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ from Christian Hirsch with the request to check whether it could be Psalmopoeus reduncus. He had apparently received the animals from the person who had introduced this species into the hobby from Panama under the aforementioned term.
The following taxonomic examination was based on the publications and revisions of the genus Psalmopoeus by Gabriel & Sherwood (2020) and by Cifuentes & Bertani (2022). A comparison of the structure of the stridulating organ and the arrangement of the stridulating setae on the palp coxa pl shows a similarity with the figures in Cifuentes & Bertani 2022 (cf. Pic. 2 and 3). When comparing the club-shaped stridulating setae on the palp coxa between Psalmopoeus reduncus and, for example, Psalmopoeus pulcher, which is also native to Panama, it can be seen that P. reduncus has shorter and fewer such setae.
Comparison of the bulb structure of the present males of Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ with the illustrations of the bulbs of the lectotype of Psalmopoeus reduncus in Gabriel & Sherwood 2020 (Figs. 17 – 20) and in Cifuentes & Bertani 2022 also shows a similarity within the range of the variation of the bulb structure given by these authors (compare Pic 4 with Pic 5 – 8).
The structure of the tibial apophyses and the spines on the large and small apophyses also show no significant differences from the figures in Cifuentes & Bertani (compare Pic 4 with Pic 9 - 11). However, it should be noted that in one of the two males there are two spines apically on the retrolateral side of the large apophysis (see Pic 9 & 10). By comparing the figures for P. reduncus in Gabriel & Sherwood 2020 (no spine ) and Cifuentes & Bertani 2022 (one spine), a certain variation seems to be quite common. One major difference to what appears to be known about Psalmopoeus reduncus in the scientific community is the darker colouration of the specimens that are named as Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’. However, this could simply be due to the adaptation of local populations of Psalmopoeus reduncus to the cooler and more humid climate of the Cordillera Central.

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The tarantula species which is well known to the tarantula scene as Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ from Panama, does not differ significantly from Psalmopoeus reduncus in taxonomic terms. It is only darker in colour, but this could be an adaptation to the cooler and more humid habitat in the Cordillera Central of Panama. An integrative approach to clarify the relationship between Psalmopoeus reduncus and this Psalmpoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ could provide more clarity about the taxonomic status. In his 2018 work, Gabriel had suggested that genetic studies between the dark-coloured Psalmopoeus material, which may be identical to the Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ and which he found in the "cloud forest mountains of Panama", and the material that is classically known as Psalmopoeus reduncus in the tarantula scene, showed a genetic difference. Unfortunately, he does not provide any information as to which genetic markers were examined and how large the differences between the compared markers were in the alignment, so that from a genetic point of view, the question of the species identity of the Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ cannot be clarified. In terms of its morphology, it belongs taxonomically to Psalmopoeus reduncus.

Reference:

Cifuentes, Y. & Bertani, R. (2022). Taxonomic revision and cladistic analysis of the tarantula genera Tapinauchenius Ausserer, 1871, Psalmopoeus Pocock, 1985, and Amazonius n. gen. (Theraphosidae, Psalmopoeinae). Zootaxa 5101(1): 1-123.

Gabriel, R. (2018). Some notes and observations on the identity and breeding of Psalmopoeus reduncus (Karsch, 1880) (Araneae: Aviculariinae). Journal of the British Tarantula Society 32(3): 34-40.

Gabriel, R. & Sherwood, D. (2020). Revised taxonomic placement of some Mesoamerican Psalmopoeus Pocock, 1895, with description of three new species (Araneae: Theraphosidae). Arachnology 18(4): 387-398

Valerio, C. E. (1979). Arañas terafósidas de Costa Rica (Araneae: Theraphosidae). II. Psalmopoeus reduncus, redescripción, distribución y el problema de dispersión en terafósidas. Revista de Biología Tropical 27: 301-308
 

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Very interesting!!! I’ve seen orchid and was very curious.
 

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"Unfortunately, he does not provide any information as to which genetic markers were examined and how large the differences between the compared markers were in the alignment, so that from a genetic point of view, the question of the species identity of the Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ cannot be clarified. In terms of its morphology, it belongs taxonomically to Psalmopoeus reduncus. "

Thats because I was not told what they were, so when Stuart Longhorn told me it was genetically a different species to what he had from the pet hobby then that was good enough for me.

We have said now for some time there is a "reduncus group" of species. Valerio, 1980 not only mentions colour but also bulb illustrations which show 3 distinct groups of bulb length unfortunately the locations are not given that correspond with the bulb lenghts but we have suggested there might be 3 species in Costa Rica Pacific, Montain and Carribean, which might explain the 3 bulb lengths in Valerio, 1980.

Now even if this is only a dark "form" of reduncus they should still be kept pure and not bred to other "reduncus".

Sorry all I was taken away for an emergency (the joys of being a part time career)

One also has to question the source of the " Black Orchid" specimens ... this is the pet trade and as many of us know some dealers will sell anything as something to make a buck under the BS of "that is what i bought them as" ... were they really "Black Orchid" specimens or just reduncus sold as "Black Orchid" thus the trt conclusion?

Now then the DNA says the specimens from "Montain Cloud Forest in Panama" (yep I should know where they came from as I lived there for 7 months and collected and observed numerous specimens) and are different genetically from an extremely reliable source (S. Longhorn) then I would go with them being a different species and not just " taxonomically to Psalmopoeus reduncus".

The trouble here is now that this has been stated is that some hobbyists might just treat them as P. reduncus leading to males being fed to females and species/forms dying out in the hobby.

Now then Cifuentes & Bertani 2022 never actually examined some of the Psalmopoeus holotype specimens and based thier synonymies on ... i dont know ... Black Orchid could easily be P. intermedius we just dont know (which is why we never said as much) as there is little information as to where it P. intermedius was collected but as the road between the Pacific and the Carribean was not built when P. intermedius was collected then it is highly unlikely to be that species and without examining the holotype Cifuentes & Bertani 2022 dumped it in with P. reduncus of which they had not seen the holotype neither.

Now then having seen all the hollotype material and not making any synonymies well says it all really.

Black Orchid is definately in the reduncus group but I would not go as far as saying they are the same species and i have seen them in the wild, collected them and studied the origonal source material collected by me.
 

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"Unfortunately, he does not provide any information as to which genetic markers were examined and how large the differences between the compared markers were in the alignment, so that from a genetic point of view, the question of the species identity of the Psalmopoeus sp. ‘Black Orchid’ cannot be clarified. In terms of its morphology, it belongs taxonomically to Psalmopoeus reduncus. "

Thats because I was not told what they were, so when Stuart Longhorn told me it was genetically a different species to what he had from the pet hobby then that was good enough for me.

We have said now for some time there is a "reduncus group" of species. Valerio, 1980 not only mentions colour but also bulb illustrations which show 3 distinct groups of bulb length unfortunately the locations are not given that correspond with the bulb lenghts but we have suggested there might be 3 species in Costa Rica Pacific, Montain and Carribean, which might explain the 3 bulb lengths in Valerio, 1980.

Now even if this is only a dark "form" of reduncus they should still be kept pure and not bred to other "reduncus".
Hi Ray,

I agree with you there. I would definitely continue to name this species/form in the hobby as “Black Orchid”, for example, Psalmopoeus reduncus “Black Orchid” to make it clear that it is this dark form from Panama. Whether we really have different species of Psalmopoeus in Central America can hardly be clarified morphologically. To do so, it would be necessary to examine several genetic markers and, ideally, to know the natural distribution of the individual forms. In the case of a cline, gene flow may occur, but the end points of the cline may already show genetic differences. In this case, however, they would be members of the same species, despite possible minor genetic differences. BTW, I know the collector of this “Black Orchid” personally and very well and I have also been with him in Panama. The spiders come from the area around El Copé as far as I know.
 
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I agree with you there. I would definitely continue to name this species/form in the hobby as “Black Orchid”, for example, Psalmopoeus reduncus “Black Orchid” to make it clear that it is this dark form from Panama. Whether we really have different species of Psalmopoeus in Central America can hardly be clarified morphologically. To do so, it would be necessary to examine several genetic markers and, ideally, to know the natural distribution of the individual forms. In the case of a cline, gene flow may occur, but the end points of the cline may already show genetic differences. In this case, however, they would be members of the same species, despite possible minor genetic differences. BTW, I know the collector of this “Black Orchid” personally and very well and I have also been with him in Panama. The spiders come from the area around El Copé as far as I know.
Hola Volker,

Yep agree, El Cope is a very interesting locality, I have a hard copy of a paper somewhere regarding some bird collectors on an expedition in the 1920s (1929?) who had an arachnologist/entomologist with them and they were near the El Cope area and these are possibly the collectors of the P. intermedius specimen. (They were chased out of the jungle and away from the area by the locals firing arrows at them as they thought they were prospectors).

I can also retract my statement " and I have seen them in the wild, collected them and studied the original source material collected by me" as I was told Black Orchid were my cloud forest species, and therefore it was not a Black Orchid specimen that Stuart Longhorn did the DNA on. Interestingly my Cloud Forest sp is found between P. reduncus and Black Orchid locations (closer to BO). I was also told that Black Orchid might have been my large Black (undescribed) species from Honduras.
 

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It remains exciting in relation to the phylogenetic relationships of the Psalmopoeus forms in Central America. Perhaps someone from the Smithsonian Institute in Panama will one day approach this complex genetically. Meanwhile, genetic analyses don't cost that much anymore.
Well, we were lucky when we left El Copé NP that we weren't chased away with arrows. On the contrary, there was this friendly waving gentleman on the way down, who was carrying a petrol canister in one hand. It was only when we were on the Pan-American Highway that we noticed that an unusually large amount of petrol was missing from our Ford Ranger... End of story!:rolleyes::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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