id needed - WC species in singapore

[Scorpfanatic]

id needed.
WC in singapore - 1st pic is about 9cm mouth to end of tail
2nd one is only about 2cm mouth to end of tail

suspecting 1st pic to be a Centruroides species, wat dop you guyes say? as for the second i have absolutely no idea

full album with more pics - http://individualistic.multiply.com/photos/album/29

1st scorp

2nd scop

journal of the whole hunting trip - http://scorpionjournals.blogspot.com/

 

[ThatGuy]

first one looks like a Centruroides ssp. i cant really tell ya what the second one is.

 

[misfitsfiend]

do centruroides live in singapore?
the first looks like
Isometrus spp. , maybe Isometrus maculatus?
not sure about the second...

 

[ThatGuy]

do centruroides live in singapore?
the first looks like
Isometrus spp. , maybe Isometrus maculatus?
not sure about the second...

it does look like a Isometrus maculatus the second pic.

 

[ThatGuy]

the first pic has gotta be a Centruroides spp. or maybe just maybe some kinda Tityus, but i doubt it.

 

[Scorpfanatic]

2nd one is Chaerilus rectimanus.. only the first one
any one can post some pic of isometrus species? i cant find any to ID him.

 

[kahoy]

here

hey heres waht ur looking for
http://www.butbn.cas.cz/klimes/ arachno/scorpgallery.htm

and do any one owns them???:?

 

[kahoy]

oooopppsss

i think the web got a prob

this one does/dont work
http://www.butbn.cas.cz/klimes/arachno/scorpgallery.htm

 

[kahoy]

Yessss

yess

the 2nd post of mine one works

sorry if im posting too much

 

[Randolph XX()]

interesting
first u got Damon sp in Singapore which supposedly is from Africa
Second u got Centuroides sp which is supposedly from Central America

 

[fusion121]

Hi
Like I said on the other board I think you'll find its Isometrus formosus since that is the native buthid species. I've looked for a picture but haven't even been able to find a paper with a good image of this species (the Kovarik review is not much use here)

 

[Scorpfanatic]

interesting
first u got Damon sp in Singapore which supposedly is from Africa
Second u got Centuroides sp which is supposedly from Central America

hahah i also don why but that isnt any fun, im keeping things that i can ID, dono wat are they! how troublesome if i wana tell ppl wat i keep! any way the damon sp tailess whips.. i found mor ethe 10 speciment and have CB many as well... many headache! i hope i can fins out wat specues is that Centuroides sp looking scop is from, some say its isometrus sp as well! and singopire only have isometrus species but it doesnt look a damn thing like the isometrus species listed in singapore scorpion list any where on the neT!! GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! im going carzy! till i findmore of it tehn its sure that they are native, its the only one im gonna ever find it could be some hobbist's release into the wild...

 

[Scorpfanatic]

yess

the 2nd post of mine one works

sorry if im posting too much

thnak you so muchnow i jus have to find smilar one s and try to photo hunt them. will look through and post some pics for you guys to help me decide, (besides my decision though ! ;P ;P ;P )

 

[Scorpfanatic]

Hi
Like I said on the other board I think you'll find its Isometrus formosus since that is the native buthid species. I've looked for a picture but haven't even been able to find a paper with a good image of this species (the Kovarik review is not much use here)

hi, ive been looking for it too! hehe thanks any ways! post a pic you u find any! i doubtr its native any ways!

 

[Nikos]

the second specimen could be a chaerilus sp.
and according to www.scorpionfauna.com, chaerilus rectimanus is native to singapore.
Based on the same site, I'd guess the first one is I.formosus and looks like a male

 

[Raan_Jodus]

cant say I have a clue what you have the second one I'm sure i've seen an image of before pretty neat too. Is there a university close by that might be able to identify your mystery scorpion? Thats what some people do with strange inverts, perhaps it could work for yours.

 

[TheNothing]

I'm thinking Isometrus krasenskyi

judging this based on:
-ST granulation
-univerally yellow legs w/o spotting

I. formosa, will have spotted legs and a the ST is not sharply pointed... its rather wide and rounded.

Isometus Key (PDF format)


it is definately NOT I. maculatus... I have a bunch of those


the second:
Chaerilus species

likely Chaerilus rectimanus judging on size and chela

 

[fusion121]

Hi Isaac
How are you making the determination? As far as I can see from the pictures its impossible to tell whether the symmetrical arrangement of granules is present below the ST, or indeed the arrangement of the trichobothria on the chela. Also the Kovarik key says nothing on the coloration of the legs of I. formosus so I don't think you can use it as a separating character. Also as far as I can tell I.krasenskyi is not a species associated with Singapore (although it is found very close in indonesia which means it not impossible). The only evidence I can see as being reliable is the locality and the only buthid species associated with singapore is I. formosus. I think its going to be a case of not being able to ID from photos, unless we can get really detailed ones of telson and pedipalps.

Your right that the tooth is not quite rounded but it is wide and kovarik is using quite a general description:?

 

[TheNothing]

Oliver, in the first post, he happened to put a link to a gallery that has several more pictures, most notibly, these two:

telson
http://individualistic.multiply.com/photos/photo/29/5.jpg
pedipalps
http://images.individualistic.multiply.com/image/2/photos/29/7.jpg


agreed, though, Kovarik's descriptions are fairly general and non-descriptive

 

[fusion121]

Oliver, in the first post, he happened to put a link to a gallery that has several more pictures, most notibly, these two:

telson
http://individualistic.multiply.com/photos/photo/29/5.jpg
pedipalps
http://images.individualistic.multiply.com/image/2/photos/29/7.jpg


agreed, though, Kovarik's descriptions are fairly general and non-descriptive

Hi
Yes, I saw those 2 but as far as I can tell neither of them are of high enough quality to make out the nessesary features, I can see the trichobothria but not where they actually join the chela. Can you spot the granulation or trichobothria patterns in those pictures?:?