ID my mystery T pleas

[Bird Man]

Here she is, sold to me as a cobalt. She spent the first day at the top of her enclosure, but has now dug out one of the corners of the tank and put some web over herself.

 

[rustym3talh3ad]

Haplopelma minax - "Thailand Black Tarantula"

 

[syndicate]

Haplopelma sp."Vietnam"

 

[Paramite]

That's sp. "vietnam" (though seems a little light for it) or something else but compare it to my passed away minax:

Though I know there are different forms of minax and sp. "vietnam" could be one of them.

 

[andy375hh]

Looks like a H. Logipies

 

[Bird Man]

Well it doesn't look like the one in the pic here, way to black, it's more a brown right now, but from what I quickly googled it looks like a tiger. But may need another molt to look more black.

 

[Bird Man]

Looks like a H. Logipies

You got any pics of them? When I googled, I only got 2 tiny ones I couldn't really see from here on the board.

 

[syndicate]

Its not Longipes.Your spider is what is commonly referred to as Haplopelma sp."Vietnam/Vonwirthi"
-Chris

 

[jr47]

This was sold to me as a tiger rump. Closest thing I can find to it is a H. longipedum. But There seems to be a little bit of a debate on if the longipedum is actually a valid name.
It's still about 3 inch's so I think I will just wait and see what it turns out to be or if they ever decide if the longipedum actually is valid or not. I just call mine satan cause it wont tolerate me even breathing around its cage.
It was a bit lighter when I got it. has darkened alot and is not feeding as much so I think it may be nearing a molt. Am looking forward to seeing what comes of a molt.

 

[Lopez]

H sp. "longipedum" is an old working name for H.longipes. H.longipes is a valid description.

Your spider does not look like H.longipes, as mentioned above it looks more like the spider generally known as either H.sp."Vietnam"/H.vonwirthi

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

I just got a mystery haplo as well, sold to me as a 'black velvet tarantula'. It dug a deep deep hole and I haven't seen it since.
In the new enclosure-

Now-

Sorry, I forgot to resize!!

 

[andy375hh]

You got any pics of them? When I googled, I only got 2 tiny ones I couldn't really see from here on the board.

Here is a pics of mine also pics of my cobalt I picked up From Brian at MIARACHNIDS. http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=146175

 

[rustym3talh3ad]

im not the best at id-ing T's but i still say that one is a H. Minax, this is one we have in the store...to support my thoughts on this. if u look the abdomen pattern and color is much the same, as well as the orange spinnerets, u cant see them in the picture i took but ive physically noticed them on the one we have as well as the ones on ur pics.

 

[Paramite]

That's not H. minax...

 

[mikie]

Here she is, sold to me as a cobalt. She spent the first day at the top of her enclosure, but has now dug out one of the corners of the tank and put some web over herself.

I think I had got one of these and they are really aggressive...don't they ?

 

[rustym3talh3ad]

That's not H. minax...

then what is it? please have as much to back this as possible becuz i refuse to sell a mislabeled T, as our knowledge and quality assurance is primarily what seperates us from most LPS. the 3 species in the photos all look identical to each other and being that we've dealt with this species before (at the pet shop i work for) im quite confident in my identification but im not so bullheaded i wont admit i am wrong. im very curious as to know what the T is that i have as well as the two other people on this thread have so please let us know.

 

[Paramite]

It looks Haplopelma sp. "vietnam". They are commonly mistaken as minax.

BUT, if I remember correctly phormingochilus told me about a year ago, that he believes they are just a different color form of minax. I'm not sure if it's official now or not.

Edit: "Yes - I am absolutely 100% certain that what I have is the real minax. I have both exact collecting site, and have confirmed the identity with Volker von Wirth and by my own research ;-) That doesn't rule out your spider as H. minax as there are a few regional varieties which differs by subtle colour variations. The typical north thai variety (which is identical to the type species) is jet black with a dark greenish carapace and uniform black abdomen as adult (juveniles has very prominent tiger stripes) and reach about 20 cm. legspan. The cambodian variety is jetblack with faint markings on the abdomens and has black carapace, but is smaller - reaching between 16-18 cm. The vietnamese variety is dark gunship grey on legs and carapace with mottled abdominal markings on greyish/beige and orangeish spinnerets and becomes 15-16 cm. legspan. The specimen on Paiki "looks" like a young adult of the thai variety."

Edit2: As you can see, the specimen I had was "cambodian variety". Both of the others are MUCH darker than sp. "vietnam".

 

[rustym3talh3ad]

It looks Haplopelma sp. "vietnam". They are commonly mistaken as minax.

BUT, if I remember correctly phormingochilus told me about a year ago, that he believes they are just a different color form of minax. I'm not sure if it's official now or not.

Edit: "Yes - I am absolutely 100% certain that what I have is the real minax. I have both exact collecting site, and have confirmed the identity with Volker von Wirth and by my own research ;-) That doesn't rule out your spider as H. minax as there are a few regional varieties which differs by subtle colour variations. The typical north thai variety (which is identical to the type species) is jet black with a dark greenish carapace and uniform black abdomen as adult (juveniles has very prominent tiger stripes) and reach about 20 cm. legspan. The cambodian variety is jetblack with faint markings on the abdomens and has black carapace, but is smaller - reaching between 16-18 cm. The vietnamese variety is dark gunship grey on legs and carapace with mottled abdominal markings on greyish/beige and orangeish spinnerets and becomes 15-16 cm. legspan. The specimen on Paiki "looks" like a young adult of the thai variety."

Edit2: As you can see, the specimen I had was "cambodian variety". Both of the others are MUCH darker than sp. "vietnam".

so are we stating that mine IS a H. minax but of a different region there for NOT a Thailand Black Earth Tiger? and if it is sp. Vietnam what would its common name be referred to as, and would one be inclined to label it Haplopelma sp. "vietnam" or would H. minax sp. "vietnam" be appropriate?

 

[Paramite]

so are we stating that mine IS a H. minax but of a different region there for NOT a Thailand Black Earth Tiger? and if it is sp. Vietnam what would its common name be referred to as, and would one be inclined to label it Haplopelma sp. "vietnam" or would H. minax sp. "vietnam" be appropriate?

Because I'm not sure if sp. "vietnam" is officially considered to be a color form of minax yet, I think it's safe to use the sp name, as they are called in the hobby. It probably doesn't even have a common name, and they are complete mess anyway.

 

[Bird Man]

Well I think she is a tiger from the pics posted here and others I've been looking at on the web. She sure is one nasty T though. I tried adding more substrate for her to dig in and she went nuts.