ID me please ...

[Walter]

Friend of mine has asked me to help him with ID those two guys:

and ...

Any ideas?
Thanks.

 

[Kaos]

I believe the first pic is Androctonus Bicolor and the second is Vaejovis Spinigerus. Correct me if i'm wrong anyone.

 

[scorpio]

Im almost certain the first one is A. bicolor. Not sure about #2 though.

If your friend doesnt know it, the A. bicolor is pretty toxic. Tell him to watch out.

 

[XOskeletonRED]

About how long is the second scorp? It appears to most likely be of the Hottentotta genus. First pic is not an A. bicolor (note the structure of the prosoma lacking in keels, and granulation covering all metasomal segments, rather than just the midline of the first segment). The first specimen pictured is a Parabuthus transvaalicus female or another of the Parabuthus genus.


adios,
edw.

 

[Kugellager]

P.trans for the first scorp...in addition to XO's comments the metasoma is a bit thick to be A.bicolor.

Is difficult to tell from the 2nd pic but I think the 5th metasomal segment is too short to be V.spinigerus. The keels on the metasoma are larger than a V.spinigerus. Also there is usually some darker striping(3 stripes) on the metasomal segments in V.spinigerus. I'm leaning toward a buthid as well. The size of the 2nd scorp would help too. Also a top pic and a closup side view of the telson would also help to determine if it is a buthid.

john
];')

 

[chau0046]

P.trans for the first scorp...in addition to XO's comments the metasoma is a bit thick to be A.bicolor.

Hunnnh? Androctonus spp. are known as "Fat tails", and Parabuthus spp. is known as "Thick tails". Correct me if i`m wrong , but doesn`t Androctonus have the most heavily built tail?

Mat

 

[Walter]

The second scorp is about 2.5"
He (I mean my friend ) has send me one more picture with gravid female.

 

[CID143ti]

I'm with XO and Kugellager on the first pic and I think XO is correct about the second pic being a Hottentotta. The second pic looks very much like a scorpion I own that was identified as H. polystictus.

In my opinion, the last picture looks like a B. occitanus. B. occitanus is the only scorpion I'm familiar with that has those wild ventro-lateral keels on the last segment of the metasoma.

W. Smith

 

[XOskeletonRED]

Mat, you are indeed correct on the common names: Parabuthus being the "Thicktails" and Androctonus being the "Fattails". There is, however, very little noticeable size difference between the caudal segments in retrospect to the scorpion's body size of each (at least, when I compare comparably sized specimen of [AD] P. trans and [AD] A. australis). Quite often, P. trans appear to have thicker tails because they are so heavily granulated and because the scorpion can grow much larger than most Fattails that are similarly colored (ie: A. bicolor). Obviously, it can appear larger in lighting changes, background, etc. They say a picture adds ten lbs...perhaps it applies to scorps as well. *lol*


As for the additional pic, I am way to tired to even begin going through the id characteristics tonight...it's way past my bed time, but I'd like to see what anyone else has on it when I'm awake to do so.


adios,
edw.

 

[skinheaddave]

The first is definitely not Androctonus sp. and is most probably Parabuthis sp.

The last is almost definitely Buthis sp. The only thing that would make me more sure would be a picture of the prosoma from directly above.

Number two looks a lot like Hottentotta, but I am hesitant due to the lack of heavy keeling on the mesosoma. Of course that may just be an effect of the camera. Could you get a picture of the underside, one of the telson from the side and one looking directly down on it?

Cheers,
Dave