ID help please

[amberinya]

Looking for some ID help on this little one I got for free, thank you in advance definitely need to upgrade enclosure and want to do so correctly, previous owner wasn’t able to ID.

 

[Matt Man]

First, it looks Gravid. Did you get it recently?

 

[Matt Man]

First, it looks Gravid. Did you get it recently? I fear it is Tityus Obscurus which packs a wallop of a sting. (or worse australis bicolor - tail looks too small)
I am hoping it is Hadrurus spadix

 

[amberinya]

First, it looks Gravid. Did you get it recently?

I got it today, original owner stated they wanted it to go to someone who could care for it properly.

 

[Matt Man]

can you get a closer / better pic of it? Husbandry will be determined once we figure out what it is. For the time being, do not mess with it, it has the potential of being one with a medically significant sting.
Legs are black as well, yes?

 

[amberinya]

can you get a closer / better pic of it? Husbandry will be determined once we figure out what it is. For the time being, do not mess with it, it has the potential of being one with a medically significant sting.
Legs are black as well, yes?

Legs are black as well. Can’t grab a photo just yet it just went under a rock in its enclosure. If it’s Gravid I might cry.

 

[amberinya]

can you get a closer / better pic of it? Husbandry will be determined once we figure out what it is. For the time being, do not mess with it, it has the potential of being one with a medically significant sting.
Legs are black as well, yes?

Pinchers seem to gradient from a black to a yellow

 

[Matt Man]

Pinchers seem to gradient from a black to a yellow

possibly Parabuthus Villosus Black, which is HOT. Still hoping it is the black version of the Desert Hairy, H. spadix. Hopefully someone with more expertise wanders in

 

[MorbidArachnid]

Definitely not Hadrurus spadix, chela are too narrow and Hadrurus spadix has a much more swollen telson and the limbs and tail are yellow. Tail does look a bit small for an Androctonus, if I absolutely had to guess I'd say this is an immature Androctonus bicolor that hasn't fully developed the fat tail they get in the later instars. Would def need better pics (but uhhh be careful getting those OP )

 

[amberinya]

Definitely not Hadrurus spadix, chela are too narrow and Hadrurus spadix has a much more swollen telson and the limbs and tail are yellow. Tail does look a bit small for an Androctonus, if I absolutely had to guess I'd say this is an immature Androctonus bicolor that hasn't fully developed the fat tail they get in the later instars. Would def need better pics (but uhhh be careful getting those OP )

Already anxious lol I was only able to grab a better photo of the bottom

 

[amberinya]

Already anxious lol I was only able to grab a better photo of the bottom

Still waiting on getting a better photo in general but for some reason we’re not sitting still for long enough.

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

I need a clearer better picture but it looks like a immature Parabuthus transvaalicus. Do not get stung these are medically significant and can potentially ruin your week with some symptons that can linger for weeks. Plus, there is a slimmer chance it can deliver a potentially life threatening sting too.

Please post a better, clearer picture I am 99% it is not an immature Androctonus which can be even more venomous and deadlier. But I am 99% sure it will prove to be a Parabuthus transvaalicus.

 

[Matt Man]

I need a clearer better picture but it looks like a immature Parabuthus transvaalicus. Do not get stung these are medically significant and can potentially ruin your week with some symptons that can linger for weeks. Plus, there is a slimmer chance it can deliver a potentially life threatening sting too.

Please post a better, clearer picture I am 99% it is not an immature Androctonus which can be even more venomous and deadlier. But I am 99% sure it will prove to be a Parabuthus transvaalicus.

I'm glad you showed up, as your Scorp knowledge far exceeds mine. Do transvaalicus have the color ombre on the claws? I know Parabuthus Villosus Black have that fade which is why I guessed that.
Either way bad news, I also thought NOT young Anrdoctonus, and those photos make it look gravid. Look at the spread on the pectines in the second photo, that thing is swoll.

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

I'm glad you showed up, as your Scorp knowledge far exceeds mine. Do transvaalicus have the color ombre on the claws? I know Parabuthus Villosus Black have that fade which is why I guessed that.
Either way bad news, I also thought NOT young Anrdoctonus, and those photos make it look gravid. Look at the spread on the pectines in the second photo, that thing is swoll.

I haven't completely ruled out Androctonus I need clearer pic to identify the distinguishing features between Parabuthus and Androctonus. It could be Androctonus. But it is definitely not P. villosus black morph.

 

[Matt Man]

and what kind of "Previous Owner" passes along a medically significant Scorpion to somebody? @amberinya have you ever kept Scorpions before? I am wondering why the original owner thought
you could care for it better. and again PLEASE be safe around this animal. What we fear it is is medically significant either choice, and transvallicus can spray poison as well as sting with it.

 

[amberinya]

and what kind of "Previous Owner" passes along a medically significant Scorpion to somebody? @amberinya have you ever kept Scorpions before? I am wondering why the original owner thought
you could care for it better. and again PLEASE be safe around this animal. What we fear it is is medically significant either choice, and transvallicus can spray poison as well as sting with it

The previous owner was in a will for a family member who passed away, I was taking 3 tarantulas that pack medically significant venom because I have experience with them. He pulled out the scorpion in a very poor condition tank. When I say that I mean sand that is barley covering the glass on the bottom and very clearly is littered with old food, molts etc, even the glass is clouded on the tank, no lid, no lighting he just had it and was feeding it crickets when he felt it was appropriate to do so. While my scorpion knowledge is basic, I still feel comfortable with taking care of a species able to cause damage, however I have a friend who breeds scorpions willing to help work out appropriate living conditions for this little one. It is confirmed that she is gravid, looking like she will be having her babies any day now. I’ll snag a couple more photos for you guys and keep in touch with her condition. I will most likely end up with a couple babies, rather than hundreds.
Attaching some photos now! You guys are awesome with ID help!

 

[amberinya]

The previous owner was in a will for a family member who passed away, I was taking 3 tarantulas that pack medically significant venom because I have experience with them. He pulled out the scorpion in a very poor condition tank. When I say that I mean sand that is barley covering the glass on the bottom and very clearly is littered with old food, molts etc, even the glass is clouded on the tank, no lid, no lighting he just had it and was feeding it crickets when he felt it was appropriate to do so. While my scorpion knowledge is basic, I still feel comfortable with taking care of a species able to cause damage, however I have a friend who breeds scorpions willing to help work out appropriate living conditions for this little one. It is confirmed that she is gravid, looking like she will be having her babies any day now. I’ll snag a couple more photos for you guys and keep in touch with her condition. I will most likely end up with a couple babies, rather than hundreds.
Attaching some photos now! You guys are awesome with ID help!

 

[The Snark]

This is reminescent of a guy who was given a cage with four Kaouthai cobras. I got called in to suggest what containment they should be kept in. They were all cold and laconic but one didn't look right. I called in a expert from the snake farm. I wasn't present when the expert was present but he immediately covered the cage with a plastic tarp and drove them out into the hills and released them. Three were Kaouthai and one was a Siamensis, How nobody was injured I had no idea. I never got a backgrounder on who collected or kept them and nobody got tagged. Chalk it off to dumb luck.

 

[Matt Man]

This is reminescent of a guy who was given a cage with four Kaouthai cobras. I got called in to suggest what containment they should be kept in. They were all cold and laconic but one didn't look right. I called in a expert from the snake farm. I wasn't present when the expert was present but he immediately covered the cage with a plastic tarp and drove them out into the hills and released them. Three were Kaouthai and one was a Siamensis, How nobody was injured I had no idea. I never got a backgrounder on who collected or kept them and nobody got tagged. Chalk it off to dumb luck.

I assume all were local, hence the release. The siamensis are super pretty but that's well outside my comfort zone. Sometimes luck favors the ignorant

 

[Matt Man]

From those new photos I am thinking this could be Androctonus bicolor by that tail. Parabuthus tend to have more hairs in my experience. @Outpost31Survivor @MorbidArachnid we have new pics, come take a gander