How long can baby A.Avicularia be kept together in incubator?

[babiephish]

I have heard this species can be kept together in the incubator for a bit and I was wondering if that is true. They are going to be molting into 2i soon and I have cups ready, but I feel I would like to keep them together as long as possible to make feeding them all easier for at least the next few months. Hope this is understandable. Let me know, thank you.

 

[Liquifin]

2nd instar is the best time to separate them. Cannibalism will become more frequent the longer they are kept together.

 

[Wolfram1]

yep, but it also depends on how many you want to seperate, raise or sell...

 

[Tarantuland]

I think avics could probably be ok going to 3i, but you would might experience some cannibalism with stronger babies remaining than if you seperated at 2 i

 

[taranbandido]

Hello..Do you know that the acquisition was 2 weeks ago and it only ate an 8/9 mm cricket. and she stopped eating; She rejects him and doesn't want to be bothered. It is clear that she is a Spiderling with a big appetite and more than an incubator I see her in "community" in the Mother's lair and fed by destroyed and half-digested prey. I think (it is my opinion) that it is not "natural" to separate them from their mother's lap so young and that they need 1/2 more Stadiums to become independent... I don't know if you understand me friends. ?!..

 

[Wolfram1]

Hello..Do you know that the acquisition was 2 weeks ago and it only ate an 8/9 mm cricket. and she stopped eating; She rejects him and doesn't want to be bothered. It is clear that she is a Spiderling with a big appetite and more than an incubator I see her in "community" in the Mother's lair and fed by destroyed and half-digested prey. I think (it is my opinion) that it is not "natural" to separate them from their mother's lap so young and that they need 1/2 more Stadiums to become independent... I don't know if you understand me friends. ?!..

i don't quite get all of what you are saying, but this sling seems already fat enought, so if it stopped eating thats probably fine

i do agree that under normal circumstances the mother would take care of them, but that doens't mean there won't be cannibalism in nature as well
the mothers-care might just give them a better/quicker start in life and if she feeds them with regurgitated or partially pre-digested prey there might even be a transfer of a beneficial microbiome kickstarting their immune system/digestion
however thats just speculation and seperated slings do just fine in many cases

 

[Smotzer]

If you want the best survival chances you should separate them when they molt to second instar and also can begin to be fed, the longer you leave them without separating them out into individual small vials/delicups the greater your chances of cannibalism with be.

I think (it is my opinion) that it is not "natural" to separate them from their mother's lap so young and that they need 1/2 more Stadiums to become independent...

It can be a matter of individual opinion/prefered breeding practices but most seperate at 2nd instar.

 

[SpookySpooder]

Hello..Do you know that the acquisition was 2 weeks ago and it only ate an 8/9 mm cricket. and she stopped eating; She rejects him and doesn't want to be bothered. It is clear that she is a Spiderling with a big appetite and more than an incubator I see her in "community" in the Mother's lair and fed by destroyed and half-digested prey. I think (it is my opinion) that it is not "natural" to separate them from their mother's lap so young and that they need 1/2 more Stadiums to become independent... I don't know if you understand me friends. ?!..

Your sling is probably full of food and entering a molt cycle. No need to worry about feeding it further as it will eat again when it is ready.

Your point about the benefits of leaving the young with their mother has some interesting ideas behind it. Perhaps that is something that could be studied further and explained with other "maternal" species such as the Baboons.

"Natural" is not always "optimal"

An example I want to bring up is a Caesarean section. If a mother has complications during childbirth, often an "unnatural" solution is the optimal one that allows for survival of mother and/or child.

If a breeder wishes to increase sling survival rate by separating them from their mother as eggs or from each other as 2i I believe that is also a valid way of doing things.

 

[taranbandido]

Your sling is probably full of food and entering a molt cycle. No need to worry about feeding it further as it will eat again when it is ready.

Your point about the benefits of leaving the young with their mother has some interesting ideas behind it. Perhaps that is something that could be studied further and explained with other "maternal" species such as the Baboons.

"Natural" is not always "optimal"

An example I want to bring up is a Caesarean section. If a mother has complications during childbirth, often an "unnatural" solution is the optimal one that allows for survival of mother and/or child.

If a breeder wishes to increase sling survival rate by separating them from their mother as eggs or from each other as 2i I believe that is also a valid way of doing things.

Comrade..Thank you for your opinion, it is appreciated..Comparing a cesarean section, regardless of the animal, with this topic seems too exaggerated but hey..Thank you…

i don't quite get all of what you are saying, but this sling seems already fat enought, so if it stopped eating thats probably fine

i do agree that under normal circumstances the mother would take care of them, but that doens't mean there won't be cannibalism in nature as well
the mothers-care might just give them a better/quicker start in life and if she feeds them with regurgitated or partially pre-digested prey there might even be a transfer of a beneficial microbiome kickstarting their immune system/digestion
however thats just speculation and seperated slings do just fine in many cases

Exactly..But tell the Koala babies

 

[SpookySpooder]

Comrade..Thank you for your opinion, it is appreciated..Comparing a cesarean section, regardless of the animal, with this topic seems too exaggerated but hey..Thank you…

I do not think it is too exaggerated. Perhaps the medium of analogy was lost in translation.

Taking an egg sac from the mother is comparable to removing the baby from the womb. You can change the target to a farm animal if it suits your preferences.

The same applies to a cow, or a sheep, or a horse, should a calf meet complications during delivery--humans have come up with an "unnatural" method to increase survival rates.

In this case, they will put their entire arm into the animal to adjust the position of the calf and quite possibly apply force to assist the delivery.

Is this unnatural to the birthing process of this animal? Absolutely! It is about as unnatural as taking the egg sac from the T before it has developed and hatched!

But like all that I've mentioned, we do these things to increase the survival rate of the animals and plants that we have under our care.

I am glad you can see my opinion, even if you may not agree.

 

[taranbandido]

I do not think it is too exaggerated. Perhaps the medium of analogy was lost in translation.

Taking an egg sac from the mother is comparable to removing the baby from the womb. You can change the target to a farm animal if it suits your preferences.

The same applies to a cow, or a sheep, or a horse, should a calf meet complications during delivery--humans have come up with an "unnatural" method to increase survival rates.

In this case, they will put their entire arm into the animal to adjust the position of the calf and quite possibly apply force to assist the delivery.

Is this unnatural to the birthing process of this animal? Absolutely! It is about as unnatural as taking the egg sac from the T before it has developed and hatched!

But like all that I've mentioned, we do these things to increase the survival rate of the animals and plants that we have under our care.

I am glad you can see my opinion, even if you may not agree.

Right... You are right too... In the wild, the survival rate would be much lower than in captivity due to lack of predators and inclement weather.
. And as another colleague said, in nature, although the "luck" factor also intervenes, there is the indisputable *Natural Selection*, it is doubtful that the best gene will survive, although the probability is that that is why there is the false coral snake...
I am a simple amateur with 30 years of experience but I have never studied doctorates or university... Greetings...