How dangerous is a deadly scorpion

[Joen4]

Out of curiousity, how dangerous could it be for a responsible adult but a novice to keep a very dangerous scorpion? You obviously have to keep them in safe tank and thankfully they cant climb glass. If you ever stick your hands into the tank which you should not do, you must wear thick gloves as they like numerous critters can "teleport" (move with superfast speed).

Is my assessment of the dangers correct or am I missing something?

 

[fq314]

As long as you don’t handle it, you should be okay. Still, definitely be cautious when feeding or changing the water dish. Just don’t get too careless.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Out of curiousity, how dangerous could it be for a responsible adult but a novice to keep a very dangerous scorpion? You obviously have to keep them in safe tank and thankfully they cant climb glass. If you ever stick your hands into the tank which you should not do, you must wear thick gloves as they like numerous critters can "teleport" (move with superfast speed).

Is my assessment of the dangers correct or am I missing something?

Use giant tweezers I’ve never been bitten by a tarantula without me trying to pinch grab it . Same goes with scorps I’ve had one it never stung me an emp . I never messed with it . Got it as an old adult lost to to old age I think .

 

[Olsin]

Pack on some weight, keep your age down, live close to a decent hospital and you'll probably survive most of what any scorpion can throw at you..;-)

 

[Joen4]

Thanks guys, what could go wrong weight I got some of that, age well who can change it

 

[Wolfram1]

just don't get complacent, ALWAYS use tongs, and lable it properly with warnings for guests & for yourself

 

[The Snark]

or am I missing something?

Yes.
If I may, let us alter the question slightly but still salient.
From -> How dangerous could it be for a responsible adult but a novice to keep a very dangerous scorpion?
To -> How dangerous would it be to keep a loaded gun in the house?

Members of the womens club posed this to my boss, a hardened highly experience cop. If only I had her reply record or a transcript. So paraphrased.

Her reply: "Not at all dangerous. Completely safe. Provided a simple rule is followed. Nobody ever touches it. Cannot for one reason for another, ever come in contact with it. From that point on the danger grows. The off chance of coming into contact with it on out to handling it every day. Day to day keeping the house clean and there it is on out to picking it up on occasion to regularly picking it up and practicing it's handling and use. The danger comes into it not with the gun but each individual and experience with handling firearms does not count. Every year a highly experienced person, often trained law enforcement officers or military personnel accidentally shoots themselves for any of thousands of reasons. Every step in and out of the book safety precaution diligently observed yet these firearm discharges still happen."

So obviously just switch potentially lethal animal with a gun that has no safety. The OP is the safety and we all know a safety should never be entirely relied upon.
What to you say, @Joen4 ? It's all about you, not the scorpion.

just don't get complacent

Precisely. BUT, complacency can be anything. Any time, any circumstance. Total avoidance of complacency is word go. Never ever come into contact with that gun taking every eventuality under the sun into account. Steve Irwin simply swimming too close to the ocean floor. May only an inch or two.

To beat this into the ground, the firearms safety lecture I gave many times.
All guns (Lethal animals) are loaded, always. Ready to fire. Until you are looking into the chamber and see it is empty (the containment if closed and you see it is securely locked). Chamber is closed (lock is removed or containment altered in any way) it is ready to fire. Hand the empty chambered gun to another person it magically reloads itself until that other person is looking into the empty chamber.
Deadly until established at the immediate moment there is a real substantial barrier that cannot be altered. Turn your back for a moment, reassessment is required.

IMHO, everyone who wants to keep a hot should work with rattlesnakes where the environment is picture perfect. All containments are in a containment building. 2 barriers and an experienced supervisor present assuring there is always one barrier sealed and secured. Safety of the person actually working with the inner containments is not secured and not safe, but the general public is. The double barrier rule is set in stone. No possible connection between the public and the snakes. If that happens a third safety is employed. Keeper license is revoked and snakes are removed.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Precisely. BUT, complacency can be anything. Any time, any circumstance. Total avoidance of complacency is word go. Never ever come into contact with that gun taking every eventuality under the sun into account. Steve Irwin simply swimming too close to the ocean floor. May only an inch or two.

The beat this into the ground, the firearms safety lecture I gave many times.
All guns (Lethal animals) are loaded, always. Ready to fire. Until you are looking into the chamber as see it is empty (the containment if closed and you see it is securely locked). Chamber is closed (lock is removed or containment altered in any way) it is ready to fire. Handed the empty chambered gun to another person it magically reloads itself until that other person is looking into the empty chamber.
Deadly until established at the immediate moment there is a real substantial barrier that cannot be altered. Turn your back for a moment, reassessment is required.

Scorpions aren’t agressive right ?? Personally I don’t know if I’d keep a fat tail I’d rather just get an emp if I got a scorp . Odds of getting tagged are slim to none if your an experienced invert keeper but yes treat it like a gun.

 

[The Snark]

Scorpions aren’t agressive right ??

Neither is a gun. Just an inert object.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Neither is a gun. Just an inert object.

Obviously op isn’t ready for it or this wouldn’t be a question .. I’d at-least get a bark scorpion first or start with some basic species .

 

[The Snark]

Obviously op isn’t ready for it or this wouldn’t be a question

Agreed. I'm just a little gun shy of the hard core approach some people on AB have. Let's not beat the snot out of someone looking for advice. Maybe a gung ho hero looking for a thrill, or maybe a very diligent cautious person with a legit reason and purpose to keep a hot. Though the question supports the safe assumption hots are out. Get your boots on the ground and your hands dirty first.

Oooo! My bud just finished turning an R100RT into a cafe racer and videod it. I'm out of here.

 

[Joen4]

Thanks for the insightful advices guys. I do appreciate them and this invokes emotions and responses. I also appreciate that the "hot" community advises to show great caution and advises against new upstarts to join in as the consequences of this critter escaping would be terrible. I would even add that if I got a hot and the peeps in apartment complex I live in knew that, they would not like that at all. With this critter it seems that you know where you have it. If you keep it in say an aquarium tank, it will not escape. You just have to know you are dealing with a high risk captive. When we talking hots there are evidently degrees. Mambas and cobras are a death wish, it seems eyelash vipers and hot scorpions are more reasonable as long as you follow procedure and use protection like when you meet a new lady. I would hardly call myself a gung ho hero but sure a pet enthusiast with a possible hot fetish .

 

[The Snark]

I would even add that if I got a hot and the peeps in apartment complex I live in knew that, they would not like that at all.

Irrelevant.

With this critter it seems that you know where you have it. If you keep it in say an aquarium tank, it will not escape.

Erroneous.

You just have to know you are dealing with a high risk captive.

Irrelevant.

Why the above three critiques?
1. The proper care, health and welfare of the animal isn't just in order, it is the crucial, paramount, preeminent concern. That taken care of by the book and to the letter makes neighbors concern non issues.
2. Completely unwarranted assumption. The odds may be 1,000,000,000 to 1 it could escape. It is still a wild animal that can do things completely impossible, ridiculous, or even ludicrous to consider. Reverse thinking is in order. It will escape and I expect it and have taken extraordinary measures to assure #1 as I recapture it.
3. The highest risk is the death of your animal. All other considerations come below that and fall in line when #1 is stringently and rigidly observed.

When we talking hots there are evidently degrees. Mambas and cobras are a death wish,

Meet Scheherazade and Guinevere, an elderly female tiger and a near six foot long kaouthai cobra a couple I know share their house with. Scher has her own room and closely observes anyone entering her sanctum when she is in it. She is very sociable if reserved, one could even say considerate, in the rest of the house. Guin loves to snuggle and coiling up inside your clothing is heaven on earth. Scher regards her as a rather weird, possibly mentally impaired cub. They both regard their human cohabitants as food supply machines and door openers, extending acceptance and tolerance except when vacuuming. Then they both leave the room.
Death wish on the couples part, or an extraordinary degree of taking responsibility for their choices and actions, fully aware of all potential eventualities?

 

[Dry Desert]

Thanks for the insightful advices guys. I do appreciate them and this invokes emotions and responses. I also appreciate that the "hot" community advises to show great caution and advises against new upstarts to join in as the consequences of this critter escaping would be terrible. I would even add that if I got a hot and the peeps in apartment complex I live in knew that, they would not like that at all. With this critter it seems that you know where you have it. If you keep it in say an aquarium tank, it will not escape. You just have to know you are dealing with a high risk captive. When we talking hots there are evidently degrees. Mambas and cobras are a death wish, it seems eyelash vipers and hot scorpions are more reasonable as long as you follow procedure and use protection like when you meet a new lady. I would hardly call myself a gung ho hero but sure a pet enthusiast with a possible hot fetish .

If you were anyway near keeping a " hot" scorpion you would have read and researched all available articles on said scorpions, and not posted on this forum with such a " loose " statement.
No, you are not ready to go from nothing to hot.

Purchase an Asian Forest scorpion first, they have plenty of attitude with a punch similar to a bee sting.

That should initially solve your " fetish".

 

[The Snark]

with a punch similar to a bee sting.

If you consider a red hot nail driven into your foot and staying there for 24 hours comparable to bee stings.............
Admittedly a wasp, the one that bores into bamboo and installs larvae, came close to that on the pain scale for several hours.

 

[Joen4]

Irrelevant.


Erroneous.


Irrelevant.

Why the above three critiques?
1. The proper care, health and welfare of the animal isn't just in order, it is the crucial, paramount, preeminent concern. That taken care of by the book and to the letter makes neighbors concern non issues.
2. Completely unwarranted assumption. The odds may be 1,000,000,000 to 1 it could escape. It is still a wild animal that can do things completely impossible, ridiculous, or even ludicrous to consider. Reverse thinking is in order. It will escape and I expect it and have taken extraordinary measures to assure #1 as I recapture it.
3. The highest risk is the death of your animal. All other considerations come below that and fall in line when #1 is stringently and rigidly observed.


Meet Scheherazade and Guinevere, an elderly female tiger and a near six foot long kaouthai cobra a couple I know share their house with. Scher has her own room and closely observes anyone entering her sanctum when she is in it. She is very sociable if reserved, one could even say considerate, in the rest of the house. Guin loves to snuggle and coiling up inside your clothing is heaven on earth. Scher regards her as a rather weird, possibly mentally impaired cub. They both regard their human cohabitants as food supply machines and door openers, extending acceptance and tolerance except when vacuuming. Then they both leave the room.
Death wish on the couples part, or an extraordinary degree of taking responsibility for their choices and actions, fully aware of all potential eventualities?

Bly me kid, you are talking to a man approaching the age of 50. You really dont know what I know, have read or my motivation for posting. As much as I love that I tricker you, I posted this to receive comments from mature adult experienced keepers.

If you consider a red hot nail driven into your foot and staying there for 24 hours comparable to bee stings.............
Admittedly a wasp, the one that bores into bamboo and installs larvae, came close to that on the pain scale for several hours.

Wow is it really that bad. I had a few forest scorpions as kid. I never handled them but apart from staying borrowed most of the time, one of them surprised me by teleporting. Thankfully it did not sting. I did not use any protection with those guys.

Irrelevant.


Erroneous.


Irrelevant.

Why the above three critiques?
1. The proper care, health and welfare of the animal isn't just in order, it is the crucial, paramount, preeminent concern. That taken care of by the book and to the letter makes neighbors concern non issues.
2. Completely unwarranted assumption. The odds may be 1,000,000,000 to 1 it could escape. It is still a wild animal that can do things completely impossible, ridiculous, or even ludicrous to consider. Reverse thinking is in order. It will escape and I expect it and have taken extraordinary measures to assure #1 as I recapture it.
3. The highest risk is the death of your animal. All other considerations come below that and fall in line when #1 is stringently and rigidly observed.


Meet Scheherazade and Guinevere, an elderly female tiger and a near six foot long kaouthai cobra a couple I know share their house with. Scher has her own room and closely observes anyone entering her sanctum when she is in it. She is very sociable if reserved, one could even say considerate, in the rest of the house. Guin loves to snuggle and coiling up inside your clothing is heaven on earth. Scher regards her as a rather weird, possibly mentally impaired cub. They both regard their human cohabitants as food supply machines and door openers, extending acceptance and tolerance except when vacuuming. Then they both leave the room.
Death wish on the couples part, or an extraordinary degree of taking responsibility for their choices and actions, fully aware of all potential eventualities?

To comment on your spicy comment. My attitude is that I give the animals proper care. But of course if it comes to a choice of me getting bitten / stung, I would not hesitate to squash any critter in an instant. We are to be good stewards, but humans come far far above animals, so your point 3 is ridiculous, unless you mean to take proper care of it. Spare me the condescending stuff about not taking care of the animals or not studying their care . As for the lovely critters you speak of, any qualified expert will tell you that one day that arrangement will go wrong .

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

To comment on your spicy comment. My attitude is that I give the animals proper care. But of course if it comes to a choice of me getting bitten / stung, I would not hesitate to squash any critter in an instant. We are to be good stewards, but humans come far far above animals, so your point 3 is ridiculous, unless you mean to take proper care of it. Spare me the condescending stuff about not taking care of the animals or not studying their care . As for the lovely critters you speak of, any qualified expert will tell you that one day that arrangement will go wrong .

lol don’t squash the poor scorpions there fragile.. just don’t get tagged problem solved these aren’t king cobras . It’s not even aggressive.

 

[The Snark]

Bly me kid, you are talking to a man approaching the age of 50. You really dont know what I know, have read or my motivation for posting. As much as I love that I tricker you, I posted this to receive comments from mature adult experienced keepers.

Naw. I lay it on the line the same way to everyone, albeit excessively verbose. Straight shooter as I see things from my experiences. And besides all that, I got a daughter older than you, young un.

Wow is it really that bad.

Eyes won't quit watering and what other people who got that zap and what the docs say going through my mind; give it about 24 hours and you'll get relief.


(I'm overcome with temptation and have to ask, "you are talking to a man approaching the age of 50." "As much as I love that I tricker you" Which is it? Near 50 or playing tricks and pranks? I'm rejecting being mercurial because I own that realestate and have lived here for decades,)

 

[Joen4]

lol don’t squash the poor scorpions there fragile.. just don’t get tagged problem solved these aren’t king cobras . It’s not even aggressive.

King Cobras I think is a death wish . I could consider getting some cool looking scorpions with size and preferably black like Hadogenes, perhaps Androctones. Hottentotta franzwerneri also looks very cool but I fear it can have babies on its own which is not that cool. Or maybe if I can get my hands on one of the more colorful ones. Not so much keen on those that borrow, I sense desert species are best. Only 2-3 of these critters.

Naw. I lay it on the line the same way to everyone, albeit excessively verbose. Straight shooter as I see things from my experiences. And besides all that, I got a daughter older than you, young un.


Eyes won't quit watering and what other people who got that zap and what the docs say going through my mind; give it about 24 hours and you'll get relief.


(I'm overcome with temptation and have to ask, "you are talking to a man approaching the age of 50." "As much as I love that I tricker you" Which is it? Near 50 or playing tricks and pranks? I'm rejecting being mercurial because I own that realestate and have lived here for decades,)

I get it . We are both seasoned online and can get verbose or as I call it spicy. I also accept as I said before that the hot community is wary of new commers, both out of concern for the upstart himself and also out of concern for their hobby. Hots becoming illegal everywhere is not at all impossible. It is however my estimation how offensive that the threat level of a death stalker and mamba is not on the same level. The only hot I might consider apart from scorpions is get an eyelash viper again like I had long time ago. Again it is good to protect the hobby but suggesting you need 2,000 hours of community service for an experienced keeper to own a eyelash viper is a bit overkill.

 

[Wolfram1]

i really dont get the fascination with dangerous venom, to me i am mostly interested in large black skorpions that are physically imposing or tiny pseudoscorpions that dont even have a stinger in the first place. The T-rex amongst the mesofauna. Beware ye mites and wiggly nematoes, for he is on the prowl.

All about pseudoscorpions - A Chaos of Delight

Pseudoscorpions, also known as false scorpions, are tiny predatory soil mesofauna. They look very much like miniature scorpions, but without the sting.

www.chaosofdelight.org

Now these are truly incredible.