hanumavilasumica question

[ornamentalist]

we got 2 slings from michael scheller and i have heard that the p. hanumavilasumica is identical to the p. fasciata apart from the leg has a stripe which is partially broken as opposed to solid and thats the only way you can tell.
however.......
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=po...tart=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=25&ty=62
this says it has the same carapace as the miranda and metallica?? is that right? surely not.
anyone any wiser than me on the subject?

 

[Philth]

Poecilotheria are identified by their ventral leg markings. The carapace ID chart was developed by a hobbyist. Although I'm not a big fan of the carapace ID chart, it can be used to a certain degree to narrow down witch Poecilotheria your looking at to a few species. With the ventral leg markings, you can narrow it down to the exact species, and this is why the leg markings are focused on in the original descriptions of the spiders , more than the carapace markings.

As you mentioned P. hanumavilasumica differs from P. fasciata by one broken leg band on the ventral side of the femur of leg IV. Click here to see the "major" difference between the 2. Some people don't even believe that its a different species , and that P. fasciata may be the only pokie found both in India and Sri Lanka. Slight variations in the leg patterns of P. ornata ("blue") and P. pederseni have been reported over the years as well, supporting this.

With that said, before anybody drops $250 on the recent imported P. hanumavilasumica that have found their way into the U.S. I hope they take this into consideration. In my opinion, P. tigrinawesseli, P. miranda ect... , to name a few should be the spider going for $250.

Later, Tom

 

[TarantulaHomes]

In my opinion, P. tigrinawesseli, P. miranda ect... , to name a few should be the spider going for $250.

Based on what?

 

[Philth]

Based on what?

Based on my personal opinion on looks, not a spider that 99% of people cant tell apart apart from a 20 dollar P. fasciata.

Later, Tom

 

[TarantulaHomes]

I was talking about the price. What prevents you from putting a $250 tag on P. tigrinawesseli that you are selling?

 

[Philth]

I was talking about the price. What prevents you from putting a $250 tag on P. tigrinawesseli that you are selling?

Nothing really. I try to price my spiders fairly based on market value , and supply and demand, just like anybody else. I'm not sure what selling a uniquely noticeable animal for $250, has to do with selling a look a like (possibly the same animal from another local) animal for over ten times price. You must really be into Poecilotheria if a an acute detail like the small broken band, makes them worth that much to you. My P. regalis and P. striata are priced the same though, just like all my Phlogius. Most people can't tell them apart.

Later, Tom

 

[BrettG]

Agreed. $200+ for a small broken leg band is kinda nutty.

 

[YellowBrickRoad]

Personally I'm getting tired of all the expensive T's. New T's show up in the US hobby and the first thing you notice is the above $200 price tags. No need to go into detail of species, just saying. This day in age its difficult to buy anything let alone afford T prices which never seem to drop in price regardless of our economical situation. Not mad or anything, just pointing out the obvious.

 

[Crysta]

if all t's where 20$ I would be a hoarder....

 

[Mathayus]

Crysta
if all t's where 20$ I would be a hoarder....

Ditto! :biggrin:

 

[YellowBrickRoad]

Mathayus and Crysta, I LOL'ed HARD! so true.

 

[dactylus]

Poecilotheria are identified by their ventral leg markings. The carapace ID chart was developed by a hobbyist. Although I'm not a big fan of the carapace ID chart, it can be used to a certain degree to narrow down witch Poecilotheria your looking at to a few species. With the ventral leg markings, you can narrow it down to the exact species, and this is why the leg markings are focused on in the original descriptions of the spiders , more than the carapace markings.

As you mentioned P. hanumavilasumica differs from P. fasciata by one broken leg band on the ventral side of the femur of leg IV. Click here to see the "major" difference between the 2. Some people don't even believe that its a different species , and that P. fasciata may be the only pokie found both in India and Sri Lanka. Slight variations in the leg patterns of P. ornata ("blue") and P. pederseni have been reported over the years as well, supporting this.

With that said, before anybody drops $250 on the recent imported P. hanumavilasumica that have found their way into the U.S. I hope they take this into consideration. In my opinion, P. tigrinawesseli, P. miranda ect... , to name a few should be the spider going for $250.

Later, Tom

Wow, what a tiny difference in appearance... Thanks for that link Tom.

 

[groovyspider]

yeh id just grab the fasciata cheaper, yup not only that some of the more expesive Ts dont look as good as some of the others, like p.metallica for instances, roughly 4-5 hundred dollars for a good sized female right? look at lampropelma violaceopes maybe like 100 for an equivalent sized one and i personally think they look better than the p.metallica

 

[1hughjazzspider]

like p.metallica for instances, roughly 4-5 hundred dollars for a good sized female right? look at lampropelma violaceopes maybe like 100 for an equivalent sized one

Yea you're wrong there. I routinely see L. violaceopes slings go for around $50. So I doubt if you'll see a 5+" female go for $100 very often if ever.

 

[Bigboy]

Yea you're wrong there. I routinely see L. violaceopes slings go for around $50. So I doubt if you'll see a 5+" female go for $100 very often if ever.

I sold an adult female for that much just last year mate.

 

[Comatose]

So given the similarities & proximity of range, what do we suppose the chances are the this species has been with us all along and simply been interbred with fasciata? The ones entering the US trade are apparently the real deal.

Just curious. Awesome link btw Tom.

 

[jayefbe]

Yea you're wrong there. I routinely see L. violaceopes slings go for around $50. So I doubt if you'll see a 5+" female go for $100 very often if ever.

I got a pair of subadults for $50 a couple years ago. I just saw a big female for $120 too.

 

[zonbonzovi]

Personally I'm getting tired of all the expensive T's. New T's show up in the US hobby and the first thing you notice is the above $200 price tags.

That is just a condition of knowing that the American market is based upon conspicuous consumption. Competing with the Joneses means having whatever they don't have. Savvy marketers prey upon this attitude/cultural inclination and the invert hobby really isn't any different. The big question is why do we have to have it? Folks that have seen my collection would probably laugh and call me a hypocrite as it seems that I have to have everything(I'd need a much larger house if this were true). I see things wind up in the classifieds all the time that were just purchased so that the seller can get whatever the next new thing is and often what they're getting rid of is fantastic. It's exactly like trading in your 6 month old Iphone for the new one because it has 1/2" more screen space and can read your aura. Stupid, unsatisfied humans