Hadogenes troglodytes Q

[cryptly]

I've got a H. troglodytes, and I'm wondering how you tell the boys from the girls. I vaguely remember reading something on the boards about tail length, but I can't find it again. I could also be misremembering too.

 

[G. Carnell]

LONG tail rhymes with male

small tail RHYMES WITH FE-MALE

 

[cryptly]

LONG tail rhymes with male

small tail RHYMES WITH FE-MALE

I was remembering right then.

Is this something that is obvious at a larger size (maturity), or is it obvious at all sizes?

 

[G. Carnell]

hmm.. i think it would be more obvious when older, in the last 1/2 of matiruty or something

maybe im wrong, this is just a guess

 

[cryptly]

Pancake's tail seems short, when compaired to the rest of the body. So, I guess Pancake is a girl. I'll have to try and coax her out from the rock she's hiding under to get some pics.

 

[G. Carnell]

http://www.key-net.net/users/swb/pet_arthropod/frs.htm
that shows it
scroll down and you will see a male and female mating, that pretty much illustrates it
its making me want some H.trog too

 

[cryptly]

Thanks for the link! That was interesting reading.

I'm loving my little H. troglodytes. My first scorp and I'm already thinking about what I want next. Thinking something communal. . .not sure yet.

Why do these critters have to be so addictive?

 

[G. Carnell]

http://www.scorpion-realm.co.uk/photos/heterometrus/def/21.jpg

try that for your next scorp, you wont be let down (H.spinifer)

 

[cryptly]

ohhh, shiny. . . :drool: I'll have to read up on that one.

 

[ink_scorpion]

http://www.scorpion-realm.co.uk/photos/heterometrus/def/21.jpg

try that for your next scorp, you wont be let down (H.spinifer)

I see George is introducing the new scorp keepers to Heterometrus.

But there's just one problem. I don't think Heterometrus are as communal as some of the other species (George would probably know more about this than I would).

One very communal scorp that comes to mind is pretty much any sort of Centruroides (gracilis, vittatus, exilicauda, etc.). Whatever you chose, enjoy! They're all very beautiful and fascinating in their own unique way.

 

[G. Carnell]

yea
i keep my 3 H.spinifer separate(they fight each other), but if you buy them all from the same brood, no probs

mine isnt a good example cos most of mine are WC
the cb ones should be more friendly and less stingy

but as Maurice said, the Cents should be more entertaining ;p

 

[cryptly]

My attraction to communial is the idea of designing the enclosure. I think it's fun to make a little natural habitat in a box. A communal tank seems like it'd be more of a challenge. Making sure each critter has enough space and a hidey hole to go to, and having the enclosure look good. Of course the critters don't seem to care at all about the last part.

I'll check out Centruroides species and see what catches my eye.

 

[skinheaddave]

I have had a couple issues with H.spinifer over the years -- mostly that my one female kept getting gravid and then killing the other female in her tank. I would replace the second female and they would be fine until the next year within a couple weeks before partuition.

Last time, I didn't replace the female, but instead just let the year's brood grow up in the tank. Since then I have had no problems with canabalism -- and some of the young are nearly full size already (about a year later). Although there is plenty of room and (previously used) hides in the tank, they seem to stick mainly to two different areas, though individuals switch between them and a few (probably males) are out on their own.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[G. Carnell]

Hi Dave,
are you sure they are spinifer?
they look like H.laoticus IME (NO granulation on the prosoma)

anyway, they have a very nice red colouration!

 

[cryptly]

That is a very nice shade of red.

Prosoma is the front end right? Scorpion equivlant of cephalothorax? Still trying to learn the anatomy of these guys.

 

[skinheaddave]

George,

They actually do have granulation on the prosoma similar to that mentioned in the Couzijn key. These were quick snapshots using the flash, which really does flatten things out. The mother did key out to H.spinifer as per Couzijn, though.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[Kugellager]

Someone asked me the same thing in a PM earlier today..(sexing hadogenes) below is my reply:

It's actually quite easy to the them apart. Take a look at these images from the scorpion filles photo gallery:

Here is a male Hadogenes: http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/visser/h_troglodytes_zimbabwe(m).jpg

Pay particular attention to the segments in the metasoma (tail) and chela (pincers) and note that they are both quite long.

Now look at the female: http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/visser/h_troglodytes_zimbabwe(f).jpg

and notice that they are significantly shorter in each case. This is the easiest and quickest method to differentiate the sexes in your Hadogenes.

If you are unable to tell the difference then you either have all of one sex or they could still be juveniles...I'd say it was less likely they were all the same sex especially if you have several of them...

John
];')