Guys, i have an male indian stick insect

[Carthropod]

Male indian stick insects are like 1 male in 10000 females, any way to keep getting males or let them breed to get more bc i have no idea what to do

 

[MasterOogway]

Are you positive you have a male? Pictures!

 

[viper69]

Why are males so rare?

 

[MasterOogway]

Why are males so rare?

Some phasmid species reproduce almost entirely through parthenogenesis; these are one of them. Phyllium giganteum are another one; they didn't even think males existed until the late 90's.

 

[ColeopteraC]

Male indian stick insects are like 1 male in 10000 females, any way to keep getting males or let them breed to get more bc i have no idea what to do

Post a pic, focusing on the genitalia. How are you certain it’s a male?

If it is a male it’s a rare genetic imperfection, there will be no way of preserving a male bloodline for long.

 

[DaveM]

Please post photos! Is it wholly male, or a gynandromorph? Are both halves of its body symmetrical? I've read non-authoritative speculation on another forum that keeping them hotter might increase chances of getting a male -- not sure if that's true.

 

[schmiggle]

If you're able to get your male to mate I would bet that would increase the chance of getting more. However, I'm very much guessing, and if it does I have no idea by how much.

Out of curiosity, why do you want more males in the first place?

 

[ColeopteraC]

If you're able to get your male to mate I would bet that would increase the chance of getting more. However, I'm very much guessing, and if it does I have no idea by how much.

Out of curiosity, why do you want more males in the first place?

Males are a genetic imperfection and usually don’t have particularly high fertility rates, it would be difficult to continue a male bloodline for long.

Males of parthenogenetic species are curiosities and are kept for that reason.

 

[Carthropod]

Pictures coming in 30-60 minutes

 

[Carthropod]

Please post photos! Is it wholly male, or a gynandromorph? Are both halves of its body symmetrical? I've read non-authoritative speculation on another forum that keeping them hotter might increase chances of getting a male -- not sure if that's true.

yeah im sure the thing is hotter the more chance it is a gynandromorph, but thats why i think its a real male, i have them on 20 degrees

 

[Carthropod]

in one of the pictures you see this wierd green bulb thingy at his behind** ( important for a bit later), i contacted the phasmid study group at their facebook page one of the ''admin/owners'' of the page reacted he didnt know and took a picture of my qoustion and put it on the page one of the reactions was this link about the male indian stick insect http://lemondedesphasmes.free.fr/spip.php?article420 (hope your french is good) as seen on the picture at the bottom the male haves/ should have a bulb thing** at his behind and the back end elevated from him my ''male'' has that exactly. also the male has the 3 factors a male would have, smaller, size comparison bigger antennae, and a red thorax it has all, it stopped molting after 1 molt in my possesion, and why i think it is a real male= they fight every now and then but as soon as the female i have just molted to adulthood, the male ran 30 cm up away from the leaves and hiding placed in bright day light to the adult female, sat on top of her for 10 seconds but moving wildly and then dropped himself



so, did i get a real male?

thanks for the responses

 

[Carthropod]

and also how long does it take for the female to start laying eggs afer the final molt

 

[ColeopteraC]

in one of the pictures you see this wierd green bulb thingy at his behind** ( important for a bit later), i contacted the phasmid study group at their facebook page one of the ''admin/owners'' of the page reacted he didnt know and took a picture of my qoustion and put it on the page one of the reactions was this link about the male indian stick insect http://lemondedesphasmes.free.fr/spip.php?article420 (hope your french is good) as seen on the picture at the bottom the male haves/ should have a bulb thing** at his behind and the back end elevated from him my ''male'' has that exactly. also the male has the 3 factors a male would have, smaller, size comparison bigger antennae, and a red thorax it has all, it stopped molting after 1 molt in my possesion, and why i think it is a real male= they fight every now and then but as soon as the female i have just molted to adulthood, the male ran 30 cm up away from the leaves and hiding placed in bright day light to the adult female, sat on top of her for 10 seconds but moving wildly and then dropped himself



so, did i get a real male?

thanks for the responses

The insect in the image isn’t an adult yet, it may possess the male genitalia but the flash obscures the view. Surprised you didn’t get a positive result from the psg, I’m a member and they are some of the best you can get...

The female will begin to a lay a week or so after the final molt.

 

[Carthropod]

The insect in the image isn’t an adult yet, it may possess the male genitalia but the flash obscures the view. Surprised you didn’t get a positive result from the psg, I’m a member and they are some of the best you can get...

The female will begin to a lay a week or so after the final molt.

If the male in the picture isnt male, how do you know that is not an adult male, and it hasnt molted in like 2 months

 

[viper69]

Some phasmid species reproduce almost entirely through parthenogenesis; these are one of them. Phyllium giganteum are another one; they didn't even think males existed until the late 90's.

Wow late 90s that’s recent!

 

[Carthropod]

Ok so now the male randomly attacked the female again

 

[ColeopteraC]

If the male in the picture isnt male, how do you know that is not an adult male, and it hasnt molted in like 2 months

Were it a Male it would of begun to display a set of clasper and the bulge would be far more obvious under the last segments of abdomen. Here’s a closeup of a Male H.Dilatata nymph genitalia to display.

 

[MasterOogway]

Here’s a closeup of a Male E.Tiriatum nymph genitalia to display.

Those legs scream H. dilatata to me; as someone who has raised a thousand or so E. tiaratum they're not that spiky, especially as nymphs. Even adult males are not really spiky, nothing close to the females, plus they have like.."flanges".. on their legs. Just my thoughts on an ID, not that it really matters!

 

[Carthropod]

Were it a Male it would of begun to display a set of clasper and the bulge would be far more obvious under the last segments of abdomen. Here’s a closeup of a Male E.Tiriatum nymph genitalia to display.

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Ill make some better pictures tommorow in daylight

 

[ColeopteraC]

Those legs scream H. dilatata to me; as someone who has raised a thousand or so E. tiaratum they're not that spiky, especially as nymphs. Even adult males are not really spiky, nothing close to the females, plus they have like.."flanges".. on their legs. Just my thoughts on an ID, not that it really matters!

Oh god, got the two mixed up... How? I have H.Dilatata, on a laminate card, on the enclosure door! Will correct that now...