Goliath Birdeater bad molt help???

Az13

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Hey everyone,

Update on the H. lividum everyone was so kind helping me with a few months ago: He put up a good fight, but it seems age got him eventually and he passed in the night. I miss him dearly...

About a month ago I got a female goliath birdeater. She seemed healthy at the time. I left her in her old cage to aclimatize for a few weeks before moving her into a bigger one with fresh clean dirt and a new hide. She kept crawling up the walls of the small cage, and it looked like her fourth leg on either side was going to give out under her weight when she stood up against the sides.

About 2 weeks ago, she started to look sickly. The fourth legs on both sides looked too skinny and her abdomen looked a bit smaller and maybe starting to shrink. I upped the moisture in the cage and added another water dish. Then the weekend of october 27 she fipped upside down in her hide and began molting. Altogether she took about 18-22hrs to molt (overnight, a bit hard to tell). It looked like her abdomen might get stuck, and her fourth legs as well, for a bit. When I checked the next day she was out of the exoskeleton but her left 4th leg looked curved and limp, and her right 4th leg also looked weak. Her abdomen has a large patch on it that is lacking bristles and is kind of rough-looking, as well as being small and irregularly shaped. Her pedipalps have some kind of growth on them, kind of like sperm boluses but not quite - they are red, shiny, and elongated. Also I don't see any hooks on 1st legs to support male sex characteristics, and she was sold to me as a guaranteed/mated female. (Former owner is long-time hobbyist, very kind and honest)

Since then I have kept the moisture very high to limit water loss (she looks somewhat dehydrated, probably?). Her left 4th leg is slighty stronger but still cannot bear her weight I don't think - still bends to the side, limp-like. I tried feeding her a 4week cricket yesterday, which she did eat. She ate another tonight.

I just would like some help with what went wrong in the molt to make her come out with a limp/curved leg, small patched/bald abdomen, and growths on her pedipalps like that? Will she be okay? What can I do to help her? Is there some sort of infection at play here that I should be concerned about?

I of course added photos for whomever wants to help me.

Before the molt she looked like this:


After the molt:
See the bent leg:



This is as close as I could get to the pedipalps without freaking her out,sorry:


In this photo you can see more how irregular the texture of her abdomen is:


And this is some weird position she put herself in this morning for some reason:


In the photos the soil around her looks dry because she is under a bridge, but the soil about an inch around her in all directions is really damp/moist, extending through the rest of the cage.

Any help would be so very much appreciated.

Thanks all,
Az13
 
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Looks like that long time hobbiest friend of yours sold you a mated immature male. Contact him, get your money back.
Theraphosa apophysis will have tibial hooks, stirmi and blondi will not. All mature males will have bulbs, which yours clearly has.

There's not much you can do now about his wonky molt, other than keep him hydrated. To that end, I'd remove the water gel, and give him a bowl of water.
 
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Chris_Skeleton

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As Hobo said, that is a mature male. What worries me is how this "long time hobbiest" sold you this as a "mated" female. So he's mating Ts without even knowing the sex and its not hard to sex via molt. How does that even happen?
 

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From what I have heard, the leg won't be too big an issue. If the T is bothered by it he/she will pop it off and call it a day. As far as the whole "it's a male thing" I have no idea whether it is or isn't o_O good luck though
 

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From what I have heard, the leg won't be too big an issue. If the T is bothered by it he/she will pop it off and call it a day. As far as the whole "it's a male thing" I have no idea whether it is or isn't o_O good luck though
Then I suggest you do some research as those pictures scream male.
 

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From what I have heard, the leg won't be too big an issue. If the T is bothered by it he/she will pop it off and call it a day. As far as the whole "it's a male thing" I have no idea whether it is or isn't o_O good luck though
Then I suggest you do some research as those pictures scream male.
^and not post opinions on this if you can't see that.
 

Az13

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Ok, Yeah I get the message, he's a male. EVERY tarantula I've had has ended up being male, so I indulged in a little denial for a bit. Also the guy was very friendly, and I am sure he'll reimburse me. It was sold to him as a guaranteed money-back female a few years ago, is all. That's not what I am worried about. He is unwell.

His abdomen is obviously unhealthy, even if I ignore his bad leg. Is there anything I can do about that? Is he sick?

Help is appreciated (thanks alpine,Hobo), condescension is unnecessary.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge, I am glad for any support from fellow Tarantula keepers.

- Az13
 

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Keep him hydrated and eating and he ought to be able to repair himself with subsequent molts. The eating and drinking is the key though
 

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Keep him hydrated and eating and he ought to be able to repair himself with subsequent molts. The eating and drinking is the key though
He's a mature male, if he molts again it will likely kill him.
 

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Keep him hydrated and eating and he ought to be able to repair himself with subsequent molts. The eating and drinking is the key though
Right on keeping him hydrated (and to a lesser extent, eating. It's a mature male so it's very likely he'll barely eat anything).
But, being a mature male, it's chances of molting again and repairing any damage are very slim. If it does, it will most likely die in the process, or be further mangled.

Your best bet is to keep caring for him as you usually have (assuming everything care-wise checks out). Personally I wouldn't pair this one with a female.
 

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Was it sold to him as a "mated" female? Or did he attempt mating? Either way, this T has been through a couple of people who seem to know nothing about sexing.
 
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Kazaam

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All that goes through my mind while I'm reading this thread is an image of 2 mating male tarantulas.

Quite disturbing :cry::cry::cry:
 

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The biggest thing I see wrong is that water gel.....its useless. You know that spiders cannot drink from that right?
 

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The biggest thing I see wrong is that water gel.....its useless. You know that spiders cannot drink from that right?
Yes they can. If they can drink from wet substrate, paper towels, and bug mush, they can drink through water crystals.
The point being that straight water will be easier to drink from, easier to replace and clean, won't harbour nasties, and will be most effective at maintaining constant humidity through evaporation.
 

longviewsteven

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Perhaps what the seller meant was "sexed" female, not "mated" female.

I agree it looks to be male.
 

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Yes they can. If they can drink from wet substrate, paper towels, and bug mush, they can drink through water crystals.
The point being that straight water will be easier to drink from, easier to replace and clean, won't harbour nasties, and will be most effective at maintaining constant humidity through evaporation.
You're right, I should've elaborated a bit more.....they cannot drink effectively from the water crystals. Its not the ideal way to offer hydration to the spider. :)
 

Az13

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Yeah, my other T'sdrink fine from the water gel dishes. I use them mostly to prevent the dishes from drying too much when have to be at university some 12-14 hour days, but I keep the water level around the gels topped up and change them out 1-2 times a week, and wash the dishes out.

But after Hobo's first suggestion I removed the gel's from his dish and put straight water, I think he drinks it easier now.

As for the previous mating, I am pretty sure the guy that sold it to me was cheated on the deal when he bought it, lame as it is.

Thanks everyone for your advice, and the funny comment about MM-MM unions in Canada :)

I'll keep him hydrated and fed and see if he starts looking better.

- Az
 
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