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I'm going to be applying frontline to both of my cats today, and I've heard that frontline can cause DKS in tarantulas. If this is true, what kind of precautions can I take to keep my two slings safe? Keeping them in a completely isolated room isn't a real option for me, what else can I do?
 

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About the best you can do is to isolate as much as possible: make sure feeders and your slings are up off the floor and some place the cats can't reach, like a high shelf; wash hands before doing any feeding of the Ts or cage maintenance; make sure the cats are brushed on a regular basis to reduce cat dander and fur from being on the floor; and treat any feeders that escape as good as dead. Those are the precautions I take with my dog.
 

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I have never heard of Frontline, but I assume it is flea and/or ticks treatment for cats? If keeping the cats in a separate room is not an option, maybe you can bag up the T enclosures for a few days?
 

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I personally stay away, miles away, from that crap. Once I used that product for one of my cats and in result, she ended with a severe skin irritation :bored:

Granted, what happened to my cat was probably a side (and unlucky) collateral effect, still that product doesn't enter anymore in my house.

I have reasons to believe, however, that, for arachnids, that stuff is a 'death sentence' but if there's no 'contact' (including not properly washed hands etc) I see no issue for worry too much. Besides, a spray or sorta sprayed stuff in the air/room, is 'risky' dangerous as well, maybe more.

The so called 'DKS' can be triggered, as well, by contaminated wild caught preys: a friend of mine losed a 'GBB' in a week, thanks to the marvellous idea of offering a WC cricket.

When people talks about 'DKS' in general is due to intoxication or exposure of all sorts.
 

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I agree with Chris....frontline application puts pesticide directly into the animal's glandular system. There are newer and much safer methods IMO.
 

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I agree with Chris....frontline application puts pesticide directly into the animal's glandular system. There are newer and much safer methods IMO.
What do you use? I would love to know other options. My vet always recommends Frontline.

I use frontline for my dogs and it hasn't caused an issue for my Ts. We keep them in another room or outside for 1-2 days after applying it so they aren't even around my tarantulas at that time.

My tarantulas are also inside a glass cabinet, as well is in their enclosures, so might create an extra barrier for them.
 

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My vet always recommends Frontline
Of course they do, they are subsidized by them as an encouragement to use the product.

My dog's breed is one of the most susceptible to cancer, so I refuse to use flea and tick products. But there's a new one, I cannot recall the name, that's a pill form...chewable, that's much better...for the dog, and if you have ts, for them as well.
 

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But there's a new one, I cannot recall the name, that's a pill form...chewable, that's much better...for the dog, and if you have ts, for them as well.
I remember my vet. that suggested (as pills to chew) MSD Bravecto 1 if I'm not wrong :)
 

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Of course they do, they are subsidized by them as an encouragement to use the product.

My dog's breed is one of the most susceptible to cancer, so I refuse to use flea and tick products. But there's a new one, I cannot recall the name, that's a pill form...chewable, that's much better...for the dog, and if you have ts, for them as well.
Tell me more, please? How do you manage fleas and ticks? Do you check her fur a lot in the summer, because I imagine you guys are outside a lot.
 

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Tell me more, please? How do you manage fleas and ticks? Do you check her fur a lot in the summer, because I imagine you guys are outside a lot.
She's white with very short hair...ticks stick out like a sore thumb (which is great), and unless they are attached and feeding, they aren't transmitting yet...never had flea issues. I check her after every walk in the spring and summer (by mid summer its past prime time and they get rare) and often once or twice during the walk if I am in a bad area.

Like 2% of ticks are deer ticks, the ones carrying lyme...80% of dogs that do get lyme, beat it with their own immune system (according to my vet...my last dog had it, but zero symptoms, same for a friends dog). Fact is that less than 5% of ticks carry disease....and treatment is simple...doxycycline.

Mosquitos are far more dangerous, no one worries about mosquitos or pumps insecticides through their dogs for them.

I would worry more if I had a long haired dark colored dog.
 

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She's white with very short hair...ticks stick out like a sore thumb (which is great), and unless they are attached and feeding, they aren't transmitting yet...never had flea issues. I check her after every walk in the spring and summer (by mid summer its past prime time and they get rare) and often once or twice during the walk if I am in a bad area.

Like 2% of ticks are deer ticks, the ones carrying lyme...80% of dogs that do get lyme, beat it with their own immune system (according to my vet...my last dog had it, but zero symptoms, same for a friends dog). Fact is that less than 5% of ticks carry disease....and treatment is simple...doxycycline.

Mosquitos are far more dangerous, no one worries about mosquitos or pumps insecticides through their dogs for them.

I would worry more if I had a long haired dark colored dog.
Yeah, my dogs are both black. Ugh.
 

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I'm going to be applying frontline to both of my cats today, and I've heard that frontline can cause DKS in tarantulas. If this is true, what kind of precautions can I take to keep my two slings safe? Keeping them in a completely isolated room isn't a real option for me, what else can I do?
There are quite a few different flea treatment for your cats and Frontline is about the most dangerous option for your spiders. (Frontline had some really aggressive marketing and it worked - most vets will give you Frontline and you will have to ask for something else specifically by name)

Frontline contains Fipronil - the active ingredient is also marketed to kill spiders, like brown recluses, so it is definitely not safe for tarantulas. It can work, though, if you keep your cats far from your spiders and always remember to wash your hands thoroughly with soap after petting your cats.

Better ways to kill fleas on cats (and dogs, too @Garth Vader ):

1. Advantage (spot on): The active ingredient (Imidacloprid, a neonicotinoid) will not harm spiders
2. Bravecto (pill): As it is IN the cat, not ON the cat it will not harm your spiders
3. Comfortis (another pill): It's supposed to be meat flavored but my cats don't buy that...
4. Other spot ons: There are plenty. Check if it works for ticks and mites. If it does it's not safe for tarantulas.
5. Program (pill): It only sterilizes fleas. It's very safe but not effective for an acute infestation
6.... If you have more specific questions, ask.
 

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We used to feed garlic capsules to our cats which kept the fleas at bay. We never really had fleas (they were typical house cats that did not roam the streets at night), only when they came back from the cat hotel after our holidays. I think you can't get any safer anti-flea medicine than garlic :)
 

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We used to feed garlic capsules to our cats which kept the fleas at bay. We never really had fleas (they were typical house cats that did not roam the streets at night), only when they came back from the cat hotel after our holidays. I think you can't get any safer anti-flea medicine than garlic :)
It also doesn't really work for cats that actually come in contact with fleas... It may repell the occasional flea, but it's hopeless if your cats go outside or if outside animals come close to your front door...
 

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Frontline contains Fipronil - the active ingredient is also marketed to kill spiders, like brown recluses, so it is definitely not safe for tarantulas. It can work, though, if you keep your cats far from your spiders and always remember to wash your hands thoroughly with soap after petting your cats.
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There are quite a few different flea treatment for your cats and Frontline is about the most dangerous option for your spiders. (Frontline had some really aggressive marketing and it worked - most vets will give you Frontline and you will have to ask for something else specifically by name)

Frontline contains Fipronil - the active ingredient is also marketed to kill spiders, like brown recluses, so it is definitely not safe for tarantulas. It can work, though, if you keep your cats far from your spiders and always remember to wash your hands thoroughly with soap after petting your cats.

Better ways to kill fleas on cats (and dogs, too @Garth Vader ):

1. Advantage (spot on): The active ingredient (Imidacloprid, a neonicotinoid) will not harm spiders
2. Bravecto (pill): As it is IN the cat, not ON the cat it will not harm your spiders
3. Comfortis (another pill): It's supposed to be meat flavored but my cats don't buy that...
4. Other spot ons: There are plenty. Check if it works for ticks and mites. If it does it's not safe for tarantulas.
5. Program (pill): It only sterilizes fleas. It's very safe but not effective for an acute infestation
6.... If you have more specific questions, ask.
Advantage does not work in the area I live. We have a terrible flea problem because of a huge colony (40+) of feral cats at my neighbours. After a long time of trial and error, frontline is the only spot on treatment that will work. I want to do everything I can to keep my Ts safe and my mammals from suffering and bringing an infestation inside, so I'll look into the pills. Do you have to get those from a veterinarian, and do you know around how much they cost?
 

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Advantage does not work in the area I live. We have a terrible flea problem because of a huge colony (40+) of feral cats at my neighbours. After a long time of trial and error, frontline is the only spot on treatment that will work. I want to do everything I can to keep my Ts safe and my mammals from suffering and bringing an infestation inside, so I'll look into the pills. Do you have to get those from a veterinarian, and do you know around how much they cost?
Well, keep in mind that (as said above) if you have to rely on Frontline only (just for saying, as an example) if you avoid every kind of possible contact and keep your hands properly cleaned etc it's not written in stone at all that your spiders would face consequences etc eh :)

And I'm saying this, no matter nor considering at all my opinion about that product (in regards of cats/dogs).

As far as I know here in Italy for purchase the pills you need to have the vet. prescription, but I don't know of course how things are in the U.S.

The cost is (here) 23 Euro, basically more or less $28.
 

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Advantage does not work in the area I live. We have a terrible flea problem because of a huge colony (40+) of feral cats at my neighbours. After a long time of trial and error, frontline is the only spot on treatment that will work. I want to do everything I can to keep my Ts safe and my mammals from suffering and bringing an infestation inside, so I'll look into the pills. Do you have to get those from a veterinarian, and do you know around how much they cost?
I don't know about America but around here you need to get those pills from a vet. Comfortis is cheaper but works only for a month. Bravecto is really expensive - but it does work for 3 months and it does work very well, usually better than all spot ons. I'd recommend Bravecto, but Comfortis is ok, too.

Comfortis is around 60 Euro for 6 pills - I just bought it because my vet didn't have Bravecto.
 
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