Finally downsized my daemon medius enclosure

[isopodluvr]

[EDIT: I forgot to say this is a SUPER temporary setup. I will be improving it TODAY]

Idk what I was thinking with that huge tank. It already seems much more comfortable in here and I've seen it opening its pedipalps around the cricket I threw in instead of running away. I'm very pleased. This is rather small but I'm hoping it will do for now. Additonal question for anyone who knows the species quite well- do some tailless whip scorpions have naturally more pointed thorax while others have rounder ones, or is the more arrow shaped thorax of my tailless whip scorpion an indicator of its lack of nutrition. I also beleive it is a juvenile if that helps

 

[Edan bandoot]

I hope that's not tape

 

[ForTW]

True that, what's the top lid alike?
And you can remove the tape, throw in some more of that nasty cardboard stuff and give it some space to molt.
You should put something sideways/diagonal. They molt in for ex. the top lid, should give them a firm grip and they tend to hide BETWEEN corkbarks.

Good luck.

 

[darkness975]

Is that cardboard? Please replace it with cork bark, styrofoam, or something else that won't decay into a rotten mess.

 

[isopodluvr]

Is that cardboard? Please replace it with cork bark, styrofoam, or something else that won't decay into a rotten mess.

I said it's temporary haha I'm working on getting better stuff.

 

[isopodluvr]

'Nasty cardboard

True that, what's the top lid alike?
And you can remove the tape, throw in some more of that nasty cardboard stuff and give it some space to molt.
You should put something sideways/diagonal. They molt in for ex. the top lid, should give them a firm grip and they tend to hide BETWEEN corkbarks.

Good luck.

'Nasty cardboard stuff' it's literally just cardboard lol. the enclosure is temporary I will be upgrading it soon! I'm planning on putting styrofoam in place of the cardboard. I'm trying to emulate some enclosures I've seen people post on here. What would you recommend for a lid? I've just been using secured saran wrap

 

[isopodluvr]

I hope that's not tape

I can explain lol. I promise u don't have to tell me how dangerous it would be normally! I have rubbed dirt on all the exposed parts so it's not sticky at all and the whipspider will not get stuck. Once again this is supper temporary

 

[isopodluvr]

I said it's temporary haha I'm working on getting better stuff.

Okay I just realized I forgot to say this is super temporary in my og post whoops

 

[darkness975]

There have been some over the years that really did think cardboard was a great idea.

Never heard back from any of them in the long run.

 

[ForTW]

Cardboard works just fine in a dry enviroment (pretty much never). Unless you have cockroaches, they love to eat that stuff.

However, i recommend and work a lot with fleece. Especially for my Heteropoda Thai cave, cave crickets or years ago d. diadema.

It isolates heat, some humudity, still breath active, completly save to walk on and cheap.
Ofc fabric gaze or nylon will do. Just impossible to create this thick, humid climate in there. Most losses are due to a lack of humudity.

Regards

 

[isopodluvr]

There have been some over the years that really did think cardboard was a great idea.

Never heard back from any of them in the long run.

Yikes i promise that's not me ^_^ my little guy is safe

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

Oh dear.

Okay, the size is great. You already know the cardboard isn't great so I'll leave that alone. Get rid of the tape immediately - no matter how well you think you've de-stickified it, you haven't done it well enough. Just let the cardboard lean. It'll be fine.

That lid is definitely not okay, not even temporarily. All it would take is one accidental strike while catching prey and your lid will be a gaping hole. You'd be better off securing some gauze or thin fabric over the top (an old t-shirt would do) with an elastic band and then putting saran wrap over part of that if you need to reduce ventilation further. Ultimately you'll want an acrylic or firm plastic lid that's properly fitted.

 

[isopodluvr]

Oh dear.

Okay, the size is great. You already know the cardboard isn't great so I'll leave that alone. Get rid of the tape immediately - no matter how well you think you've de-stickified it, you haven't done it well enough. Just let the cardboard lean. It'll be fine.

That lid is definitely not okay, not even temporarily. All it would take is one accidental strike while catching prey and your lid will be a gaping hole. You'd be better off securing some gauze or thin fabric over the top (an old t-shirt would do) with an elastic band and then putting saran wrap over part of that if you need to reduce ventilation further. Ultimately you'll want an acrylic or firm plastic lid that's properly fitted.

Thank you so much!! I'll remove the tape and the lid immediately. I'm almost home lol. And I will just use a plastic lid I was actually worried the little guy would suffocate with a tight fit lid but it seems the less ventilation the better so I'll just stick with that. Ty again

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

Thank you so much!! I'll remove the tape and the lid immediately. I'm almost home lol. And I will just use a plastic lid I was actually worried the little guy would suffocate with a tight fit lid but it seems the less ventilation the better so I'll just stick with that. Ty again

You can stab holes in the lid, or better yet, cut a square (about 1-2") out of the lid and cover it with wire mesh or gauze.

Do you have a replacement for the cardboard ready to go? I don't think this is a grippy enough material to be safe for more than a day or two.

 

[isopodluvr]

You can stab holes in the lid, or better yet, cut a square (about 1-2") out of the lid and cover it with wire mesh or gauze.

Do you have a replacement for the cardboard ready to go? I don't think this is a grippy enough material to be safe for more than a day or two.

I've scratched the material up a lot to make it easier to hold onto for rn, I'm planning on replacing it with fleece down one or both sides when I get home but I don't know if that's a great idea so please let me know. If that wont work I'll try to dig up some styrofoam Or make a sort of climbing wall out of pieces of cork bark glued or sewn onto a peice of plastic

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

I've scratched the material up a lot to make it easier to hold onto for rn, I'm planning on replacing it with fleece down one or both sides when I get home but I don't know if that's a great idea so please let me know. If that wont work I'll try to dig up some styrofoam Or make a sort of climbing wall out of pieces of cork bark glued or sewn onto a peice of plastic

I haven't tried fleece, not sure how it would take to it.

Honestly, my recommendation at this point is to put the animal back into the enclosure it was in before, and spend a few days setting up the new one properly before transferring it again. I know you're eager to get it into a more crevice-like space, but the way you've gone about this is putting the animal at risk, and it would be better to just take a step back, plan it out, get your supplies, and do it right.

 

[isopodluvr]

I haven't tried fleece, not sure how it would take to it.

Honestly, my recommendation at this point is to put the animal back into the enclosure it was in before, and spend a few days setting up the new one properly before transferring it again. I know you're eager to get it into a more crevice-like space, but the way you've gone about this is putting the animal at risk, and it would be better to just take a step back, plan it out, get your supplies, and do it right.

I understand. Rushing and impulse decisions with these kinds of animals are how pets are lost and mistakes are made. Thankfully I actually had everything I needed at home. I'm sewing polyester foam onto two pieces of hard thin plastic to basically create two climbing walls that are very easy to grip and won't fall apart and/or mold. I'll be punching holes in the hard lid later as well. I seriously appreciate your advice and patience. While I am bothering you again, I've given my little guy two crickets within two days and he killed the first one and left it on the ground whole, then did the same to a second one. Is it just not hungry? Should I wait a few days before trying to feed again? Thanks again so much.

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

I understand. Rushing and impulse decisions with these kinds of animals are how pets are lost and mistakes are made. Thankfully I actually had everything I needed at home. I'm sewing polyester foam onto two pieces of hard thin plastic to basically create two climbing walls that are very easy to grip and won't fall apart and/or mold. I'll be punching holes in the hard lid later as well. I seriously appreciate your advice and patience. While I am bothering you again, I've given my little guy two crickets within two days and he killed the first one and left it on the ground whole, then did the same to a second one. Is it just not hungry? Should I wait a few days before trying to feed again? Thanks again so much.

Either not hungry or too stressed to eat. Give it a week and try again. And please post a photo when you've redone the setup.

 

[isopodluvr]

Either not hungry or too stressed to eat. Give it a week and try again. And please post a photo when you've redone the setup.

Alright here's what I've got. And the substrate is roughly an inch and a half of moist coco fiber. I will also poke holes in the lid once I find my screwdriver.

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

Certainly grippy. I'm a bit concerned that the large cell size might result in pedipalp spine snags. @wizentrop @Banshee05 have either of you tried this type of foam before?

I'm also 99% certain that prey are immediately going to crawl behind this foam and cause problems. This should still be considered a very temporary setup, though it is probably less immediately dangerous than the tape.