Extracting venom?

[youngcrawler]

Hey everybody.
My question is. Is there anyway to harmlessly extract small amounts of the venom from a scorpions telson to be used in tests to determin the strenghts of some select species?

 

[youngcrawler]

Can Anybody answer this??
Can the venom be extracted without harming the scorpion if so how???
can anybody answer this??

 

[youngcrawler]

Well fergim i dont think theres going to be anyone online with the experince or knowledge to answer this question! well not any of these peeps on right now

 

[redhourglass]

Hello.

I doubt anyone here has the protocal and or methods.

You should consult some of the yahoo groups dealing with venoms at the professional level for they will know the proper procedures.

Kind Regards.

Sinc. Chad

 

[VesAn]

Hope you don't mind me for asking, but whatcha gonna do with the venom?

 

[mr crab]

Hes gonna inject people with it. Well all be reading about the scorp venom killer in the papers in a couple of weeks

 

[youngcrawler]

My intentions with the scorpion venom are strictly for reasearch. I Intend to do no harm to anyone with this knowledge that i am currently seeking!
What am i Reasearching..Well i would like to keep that little part of information to myself for the time being..(or maby i am going to inject people with it)...lol

 

[conipto]

Not to start a fight, but anyone who doesn't know how to extract venom is probbly not someone that should be doing 'scientific experiments' or toxicology studies... This reeks of cruelty in motion.

Bill

 

[SpaceHawk]

I was thinking about this the other night. My friend asked me if the dead scorps I have sitting around could still give you a little dose, but I don't know.
So I was thinking, that if you had a syringe with a rubber tip, you could suck something out of the telson, but this was just a theory. It'd be cool to have a little vial next to your research papers and dead scorps of A.Australis venom, but it'd only be cool if you had at least 0.5 mL, so you could actually see the venom in the vial. Then, if you are pissed at someone, pour it in their diet coke


I also agree with Conipto..

 

[youngcrawler]

"This reeks of cruelty in motion"(conipto) Well conipto Everyone has to start learning somewhere. And i highly doubt or actually i know there will be no such cruelty of any sorts being conducted here. So Please dont post false messages When you or anyone in that matter has no clue as to what i am currently reasearching or doing with the venom. As for experince in the field of extracting the venom im new to that part but as i said im learning
you only get better as time go's on.


I am not trying to start any kind of trouble within the arachno site.

 

[G. Carnell]

you should probably search to see if anyone has already done, or is intending to do what you want to do, no point putting a scorp in pain for the sake or repeating results

 

[errit]

For as far as i know scorpion milking is done by electrical stimulation. it gives the scorpions telson an impuls to secrete venom. I think this is also possible with death scorpions. unless the venom is dried.

 

[Raqua]

Then, if you are pissed at someone, pour it in their diet coke.

I don't think so .... I have no idea of scorpion venom structure, but snake venom is actually a protein and unless injected into one's veins it is harmless. If you drink it, you would digest it as any other protein. The only threat might be possible wound in your mouth.
I assume that it will be the same way with scorp venom ...

 

[NoS]

Here is just a thought...
What if you put something like foam or cotton on the end of some forceps or the like and just let the scorpion sting the hell out of it. Stills seems streesfull but then maybe you could get both prevenim and venim to research. Maybe you would be able to extract the venim from whatever you used on the forceps.
Like I said though...
Just a thought.

 

[fusion121]

The most productive method of scorpion milking is electrical stimulation, however it results in venom of lower purity. Pure venom (apparently up to 10x purer then by electrical stimulation) is best obtained, much like milking a snake, by getting a scorpion to sting some form of polymer sheet over the mouth of a container, this does result in a lower venom yield though then electrical stimulation but is the easiest to do.

 

[youngcrawler]

Huh finally an answer without a question! Thanks fusion

 

[errit]

The most productive method of scorpion milking is electrical stimulation, however it results in venom of lower purity. Pure venom (apparently up to 10x purer then by electrical stimulation) is best obtained, much like milking a snake, by getting a scorpion to sting some form of polymer sheet over the mouth of a container, this does result in a lower venom yield though then electrical stimulation but is the easiest to do.

How do you mean les pure? venom is venom. if it is extracted with electrical stimulation or the other methond you called. I wouldn't see why the first method would result in less pure venom.

 

[fusion121]

How do you mean les pure? venom is venom. if it is extracted with electrical stimulation or the other methond you called. I wouldn't see why the first method would result in less pure venom.

Less pure, as in contains impurities. Electrical stimulation causes a unnatural violent spasm of the vesicle muscles, this results in non-venom fluids being expelled along with the venom. So compared to an equilvalent mass extracted via mechanical stimulation the fluid collected via electrical stimulation contains less venom proteins and so is less pure/potent.

 

[Tityus]

Hi Fusion121,

You have read the book "Giftige und gefahrliche Spinnentiere" from Gunter Schmidt

You are right

Tom

 

[fusion121]

Hi Fusion121,

You have read the book "Giftige und gefahrliche Spinnentiere" from Gunter Schmidt

You are right

Tom

Unfortunately no, I have no ability with languages . I read a paper on it somewhere and its in Polis.