Dude allows Latrodectus sp. to envenomate him multiple times then documents symptoms..

[LinotheleLover]

One of the craziest things I've seen, not sure how I feel about the ethics regarding pinning a spider to force an envenomation, but I couldn't help but see what the deal with latrodectus venom really is about.

 

[CRX]

That is pretty crazy. But I read some of the comments and honestly found myself agreeing. Documentation like this is important, props to this guy.

 

[Nicole C G]

One of the craziest things I've seen, not sure how I feel about the ethics regarding pinning a spider to force an envenomation, but I couldn't help but see what the deal with latrodectus venom really is about.

I used to be subscribed to that YouTube channel. But I unsubscribed when I realized most of the videos were now “bite” and “sting” videos. Not my thing.

 

[Poonjab]

This is interesting compared to my experience. About a year ago I got bit by a black widow. After 3 days of excruciating pain, the widow finally succumbed to its illness and died.

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

One of the craziest things I've seen, not sure how I feel about the ethics regarding pinning a spider to force an envenomation, but I couldn't help but see what the deal with latrodectus venom really is about.

Interesting video, I personally dont think its unethical to do that, the spider isnt being killed and the symptoms are documented and can be of some scientific use.

 

[CanebrakeRattlesnake]

Man, being this dudes friend must be super interesting.

"Hey man, how was your weekend? Do anything fun?"

"Well, you see, I have these spiders..."

 

[viper69]

Stupid people do stupid things

 

[jc55]

I am not sure what drives people to do these things but it seems there are more than enough reports and documentation of Latrodectus bites on record as it but IMO this guy is looking for views and nothing more.

 

[The Snark]

Stupid people do stupid things

Latrotoxin is a huge extremely complex protein molecule that has evolved to specifically target 7 different animals neurological systems inclusive of molluscs. Deliberately introducing it into your blood stream is similar to firing a shotgun at various locations of your anatomy. And then, as in the video, the results are completely unscientific and useless. No control, no multiple replications to derive median averages, no dosage control. Additionally the toxicity varies from species to species with around 500% difference in LD50 results.
Relabel the video How Dumb Can I Get?

I wish @Widowman10 web site was still up. Full on clinical research of every aspect of Latrodectus and it's toxin.

 

[wendell]

One of the craziest things I've seen, not sure how I feel about the ethics regarding pinning a spider to force an envenomation, but I couldn't help but see what the deal with latrodectus venom really is about.

I saw that. I don’t think he had a clear understanding of what he was dealing with.

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

Stupid, pointless, unscientific, just fishing for clicks. There's a TON of documentation on Latrodectus bites - the medical and scientific worlds don't need this schmuck "documenting bites" for views.

 

[The Snark]

I don’t think he had a clear understanding of what he was dealing with.

There's a TON of documentation on Latrodectus bites

And the caveat to his experimentation, and all conditions and diseases that effect neurons. Neurons record events. In turn they pass these events to future generations of neurons through gene expression.
A simplified way to understand this is take an audio recording with background noise. Make a copy of the recording and the noise will still be there. Or a video. Same result. So you edit the recording, remaster it, just as the body replaces cells. But the editing is also recorded in the neurons. This is the reason why damage to a neuron takes an extremely long time to heal and in most cases, full recovery will never happen. A typical example is a person who suffered a CVA, a stroke, and part of the body is paralyzed. The neurons in the brain regrow, but they have no job description. The gene expression passed on inactive, Just sit there, nothing to do.

A more common example is a burn where the burned location is numb, the neurons destroyed. Where the damaged skin is replaced quite rapidly, the numbness will last for months, years, and even for the rest of your life. I took a full thickness rope burn across both palms almost 50 years ago. The skin healed in a couple of months but there is a stripe or band across both palms that remains partially numb today. Only superficial tickle sensation at the surface. No deep pressure sensitivity down in the lowest dermal layer. And therein lies the problem. I can't tell how hard I am gripping something. This has resulted in tendonitis and carpal tunnel syndrome in all fingers, most obvious in the first two fingers of both hands that exert - or over exert most of the grip strength. If I want to unscrew a top of a bottle or similar, only my ring fingers are usable.

So in neuroscience, cause and direct effect is well understood, but long term side effect is mostly uncharted territory. And the idiot in that video essentially did the same as I did with that rope burn but in his case he introduced a nerve killer into his blood stream. Here's wishing him the best and the neuron damage and gene expression is spread out enough to not cause long term significant debilities. But he should have a full telemetry EKG taken and repeated every year or two if any unusual artifacts are noted. He could do the same for his brain, taking an EEC, but that would be more academic. If abnormalities are present it is unlikely anyone can do anything about them.

 

[wendell]

Yeah and I didn’t say there wasn’t . I don’t come online looking for arguments. I will state my point in a slightly different manner; There are people who do not take that type of spider bite seriously. I think he somehow got a misconception about the danger of his stunt. I know three people personally who were bitten. None of the three came close to dying but two went to the hospital and one was kept overnight.

And now for the funny because it’s true part; Of the three people who got bit, the one who did not require medical attention was my ex wife. She failed to check her slippers left out on the back steps. After being bitten and getting mildly ill, she shook the dead spider out.

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

Yeah and I didn’t say there wasn’t . I don’t come online looking for arguments. I will state my point in a slightly different manner; There are people who do not take that type of spider bite seriously. I think he somehow got a misconception about the danger of his stunt. I know three people personally who were bitten. None of the three came close to dying but two went to the hospital and one was kept overnight.

And now for the funny because it’s true part; Of the three people who got bit, the one who did not require medical attention was my ex wife. She failed to check her slippers left out on the back steps. After being bitten and getting mildly ill, she shook the dead spider out.

Oh, neither of us was arguing with you. I wouldn't be at all surprised it the idiot didn't really understand what he was getting himself into. I was just generally railing uselessly against the stupidity of humans, and Snark was infodumping on a topic of interest, which is a thing Snark enjoys doing

I also have a friend who was bitten. She went to the hospital out of an abundance of caution, but she had to explain to them what to look for and what the effects were (she's a widow researcher).