Does The P. Irmina hold on to the sperm when molting after being paired?

[Legendaddy]

My breeders Irminia layed an eggsack right after she molted. The pairing occured 3 month prior.

I wanted to know if this is commonly known and normal with this genus and species, or if it is somewhat unusual.

 

[jbooth]

It should be a dud sac.

 

[Legendaddy]

It should be a dud sac.

Nope. Spiderlings all over the place. Thats why he was so surprised.

 

[jbooth]

Nope. Spiderlings all over the place. Thats why he was so surprised.

Crazy. You sure it wasn't an old molt or something? Didn't think that was possible with any T

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

Is it possible she made the sac just before molting? Maybe his it away while she molted?

 

[Legendaddy]

Is it possible she made the sac just before molting? Maybe his it away while she molted?

Not sure. Claimed that he was checking very regularly before she molted. Could be, but I doubt it.

Crazy. You sure it wasn't an old molt or something? Didn't think that was possible with any T

Not sure. Claimed that he was checking very regularly before she molted. Could be, but I doubt it.

Well, it wasn't my Irminia. Was at my local breeder.

 

[cold blood]

I don't buy the breeders story...it doesn't add up from a biological standpoint.

It either didn't molt after pairing or it was paired after it molted.

 

[Legendaddy]

I don't buy the breeders story...it doesn't add up from a biological standpoint.

It either didn't molt after pairing or it was paired after it molted.

He did say it shouldn't be possible. That's why I am asking for him here, since his English isn't the best.

 

[cold blood]

He did say it shouldn't be possible. That's why I am asking for him here, since his English isn't the best.

Perhaps the MM was co habbing and he thought it was gone and it was just hiding.

 

[Liquifin]

In some rare cases. If the female has already developed the eggs within herself after pairing and has molted. Then she should retain those eggs from within her abdomen if she has already developed the eggs from the males sperm.

So essentially, if the female has already used the males sperm and already developed eggs internally and then molted. She would retain those eggs. Usually in some or most cases, she would probably re-absorb those eggs. My P. metallica molted while gravid (via. candling). Then she re-absorbed them internally over time. A bit of a tangent, but it's been almost 2 years and still no eggsac from my second gravid P. metallica. She just wants to hold onto eggs I guess.

But it's hard to say if your story is true or not. So I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

 

[Legendaddy]

Perhaps the MM was co habbing and he thought it was gone and it was just hiding.

Just has this one girl I think

In some rare cases. If the female has already developed the eggs within herself after pairing and has molted. Then she should retain those eggs from within her abdomen if she has already developed the eggs from the males sperm.

So essentially, if the female has already used the males sperm and already developed eggs internally and then molted. She would retain those eggs. Usually in some or most cases, she would probably re-absorb those eggs. My P. metallica molted while gravid (via. candling). Then she re-absorbed them internally over time. A bit of a tangent, but it's been almost 2 years and still no eggsac from my second gravid P. metallica. She just wants to hold onto eggs I guess.

But it's hard to say if your story is true or not. So I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Intresting. You got some paper talking about this you could point me towards? I must satisfy my hunger for knowledge.

 

[cold blood]

Then she should retain those eggs from within her abdomen if she has already developed the eggs from the males sperm.

That's just not how it works...eggs aren't fertilized within the mother t, which is why we don't call ts pregnant.

Just has this one girl I think

What I wrote had nothing to do with the female or number of females he has.

 

[Legendaddy]

What I wrote had nothing to do with the female or number of females he has.

What did you mean then?

 

[cold blood]

What did you mean then?

He may have co habbed the male with the female...and assumed the male had been eaten after that initial pairing, when it was just hiding...therefore they could have paired again after she molted without the breeder being aware.

 

[Legendaddy]

Exactly what I wrote...lol.

He may have co habbed the male with the female...and assumed the male had been eaten after that initial pairing, when it was just hiding...therefore they could have paired after she molted without the breeder being aware.

Aaaah, so MM means mature male. That makes sense. Thanks. I am still learning arachnoboardish.

 

[Wolfram1]

In very, very rare cases there have also been credible reports of parthentogenetic eggsacks, that do contain both male and female spiderlings, no idea how that works exactly.

in your case however it is more likely the male was involved somehow.

With some orb-weavers the males even wait for the females to molt only to rush in and mate while the female is still too soft to dine on them.

In some rare cases. If the female has already developed the eggs within herself after pairing and has molted. Then she should retain those eggs from within her abdomen if she has already developed the eggs from the males sperm.

So essentially, if the female has already used the males sperm and already developed eggs internally and then molted. She would retain those eggs. Usually in some or most cases, she would probably re-absorb those eggs. My P. metallica molted while gravid (via. candling). Then she re-absorbed them internally over time. A bit of a tangent, but it's been almost 2 years and still no eggsac from my second gravid P. metallica. She just wants to hold onto eggs I guess.

But it's hard to say if your story is true or not. So I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

How do you candle them? A strong flashlight when they are on the glass or do you catch them out first?

 

[Liquifin]

How do you candle them? A strong flashlight when they are on the glass or do you catch them out first?

You can cup them or wait until they're out to where you can place a good LED light under their abdomens.