Davus sp. "Oaxaca" probably does not always originate from this Mexican state!

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Arachnoknight
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During one of our last visits to Oly Lenskes and Michael Heylen in Belgium, a dead adult male of a Davus species from Mexico preserved in alcohol was given to us for identification (Pic 1). The two had received the animal under the name Davus sp. "Oaxaca" from their supplier. The tarantula genus Davus has its range in Central America from Mexico down to Panama. They are mostly very nicely colored tarantula species, which have a striking pattern on the opisthosoma. The representatives of this genus from Mexico have been studied both genetically and morphologically in a detailed paper by Candia-Ramírez & Francke (2021). The specimens of this genus imported from Mexico over the years were mostly brought into the hobby as Davus pentaloris. However, Candia-Ramírez & Francke were able to show in their work that the numerous specimens they examined and analyzed from different areas of Mexico alone contain 13 morphospecies and, depending on the DNA analysis method used, even up to 16 different genetic species. Based on the combination of all genetic analyses and the available morphological data, they were able to discover 13 clearly definable species, 12 of which are new to science. Unfortunately, these 12 new Davus species have not yet been taxonomically described and given valid species names. Thus, for the determination of the male we followed the names of the analyzed species in the mentioned paper. These were given there in each case with abbreviations of the localities of the examined spiders.
If you compare the structure of the bulbs and keels prolateral (Pic 2) and retrolateral (Pic 3) of the present male as well as the structure of the tibia apophyses (Pic 4) with the same structures of the shown males on the pages 90 and 91 of Candia-Ramírez & Francke, it is easy to see that the examined male is most likely a male of the form from Tapachula (TAP), near the border to Guatemala, or a Davus pentaloris (DPE) from Guatemala, but in no case a male of the forms/species coming from the state of Oaxaca. Especially the resemblance of the present male compared to TAP and DPE in the shape of the bulb and the keeling on the embolus retrolaterally (Pic 5) and prolaterally (Pic 6), as well as the same structure of the tibial apophysis with these two forms (Pic 7) allows this conclusion. By the way, we are following the labeling of the keels in the work of Rogerio Bertani, who first homologized the different keels on the bulbs of the males in 2000 and gave them appropriate and nowadays universally accepted names (Bertani 2000). Comparing the male from Tapachula (TAP) and the male that Candia-Ramírez & Francke assign to Davus pentaloris sensu stricto (DPE), it is obvious that their genital morphological characters are highly similar structured. Also, both forms form a sister group relationship in the consensus tree of morphological and DNA data on p. 94 & 95 (Pic "map") whose localities are also quite close to each other, indicating the very close relationship or even conspecificity of both forms. This also results from the small genetic distance of only 5.2% difference in the 963bp of the CO1 sequence studied by the authors in their 2021 paper.
Besides, the photos on the bulb of D. pentaloris in Candia-Ramírez & Francke were taken from the work of Gabriel (2016) and flipped to ensure a comparative view. Unfortunately, the bulb of D. pentaloris (DPE) in prolateral view (Pic 6) does not correspond to the same angle as the other bulbs in prolateral position in the work of Candia-Ramírez & Francke, so one might have the impression that the bulb of DPE would be significantly different from TAP. However, if one imagines the bulb of D. pentaloris tilted slightly more anteriorly, it should be in high agreement with the prolateral bulb of TAP. High agreement with TAP and DPE, as mentioned, also applies to the bulb of the present male, which is virtually identical to the keels shown in Candia-Ramírez & Francke for TAP and DPE in terms of its structure, as well as the length, shape, and position of the posterior superior keel (PS), prolateral accessory keel (PAC), anterior keel (A), posterior inferior keel (PI), and retrolateral keel (R).

RESUMÈ:

The adult male, named as Davus sp. "Oaxaca", which died shortly after its mature molt and was given to us for taxonomic study, could be classified to Davus pentaloris or to the Davus form that occurs around the Mexican locality of Tapachula, based on its bulb- and embolus structure, as well as the similarity in the structure of its keels and in the structure of the tibial apophysis. In no case, however, it has similarities to the Davus forms which occur in Oaxaca (see Pic "Map"). Whether Davus pentaloris (DPE) can be separated from the Davus form from Tapachula (TAP) in any way is at least more than questionable due to the high similarity of the male genitalia of both forms, the fact that they form a sister group relationship in the analyses of Candia-Ramírez & Francke, the high level of genetic similarity and their localities are geographically quite close to each other. For these reasons we think it would not be wrong to call this male Davus cf pantaloris (Simon, 1888). In any case, as a customer one should obviously be at least critical with the naming of tarantulas by the exporters! Whether all Davus sp. "Oaxaca" in the community do not originate from this Mexican state can not be generalized by our analysis of just this single male with this name which was examined by us. For this it is necessary to examine further Davus specimens using this name in the community!

REFERENCE:

Bertani, R. (2000). Male palpal bulbs and homologous features in Theraphosinae (Araneae, Theraphosidae). Journal of Arachnology 28: 29-42.
Candia-Ramírez, D. T. & Francke, O. F. (2021). Another stripe on the tiger makes no difference? Unexpected diversity in the widespread tiger tarantula Davus pentaloris (Araneae: Theraphosidae: Theraphosinae). Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society 192(1): 75-104
Gabriel, R. (2016). Revised taxonomic placement of the species in the Central American genera Davus O. Pickard-Cambridge, 1892, Metriopelma Becker, 1878, and Schizopelma F. O. Pickard-Cambridge, 1897, with comments on species in related genera (Araneae: Theraphosidae). Arachnology 17(2): 61-92.
 

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This is great, thank you!

Its good to see there are others using very much needed genetics with cladistics.

I hope the next Avic revision contains genetics. HINT HINT 😀
 
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The OP does not clearly state if the specimen is from:
1/ Mendoza/Mexican lineage so comming genuinely from Oaxaca
2/ some dealer selling as such, whether they bought them as Oaxaca or what ever species as pentoralis had flooded the market

If it is from Mexican stock then questions arrise around the validity of the Rameriez paper, if not then it is just someone trying to make a fast buck... I am for the later

As soon as the Candia-Ramírez paper came out I was waiting for all these "NEW" Davus species to enter the pet hobby and for the dodgy dealers to sell as such, same Davus pentalore sold under a different name(s) just as we have had time and time again from dodgy dealers think vagans, albopilosum. But this whole new species group thing opens up a fantastic dialoge which i cannot wait to get into.

But those are pet trade problems and no doupt the next D. pentoralis eggsac will be sold under a variety of names to shift the unwanted cheap stock as did vagans etc.

I initially had variation within the species as part of my 2016 paper but as this was to long so peer reviewers suggested i take it out and have a seperate article which can now be found here


In here I also discuss the differance in views of the bulb if not taken from as close as possible the same angle and show the same bulb from different angles

In thier taxonomical arrogance the TRT automaticaly assume that my image of the prolateral view of DPT is wrong as it " does not correspond to the same angle as the other bulbs in prolateral position in the work of Candia-Ramírez & Francke" when in truth it is the Candia-Ramírez & Francke and thier Pic 2 which are WRONG.

The correct prolateral and retrolateral can be seen in the DPE images bottom pictures of thier pics 5 and 6 where they are as close as possible by human eye mirror each other. It is hard to comprehend how anyone could get something so simple so wrong. The opposite side of something should look the same in profile as its opposite (check the images of Bertani 2000 and 2001).

As discussed here

Sherwood, D. and Gabriel R. 2021. Methodologies for digital photomicrography of select morphological features in theraphosid spiders (Araneae: Theraphosidae). Journal of the Quekett Microscopical Club 43(7):571-587.

An oposing view to the prolateral aspect (of anything) would be (in at least in profile) the same as the retrolateral therefore a mirrored image so the sticky up keel will be seen on both the pro and ret aspects... comprehende?

The same for dorsal and ventral the imaged should be as near as can be the opposite aspect from the same view = mirror each other in shape.

Check all the papers I have images of bulbs and you will see that the prolateral and retrolateral are as near as can be from human vision oposites of the same perspective as are the dorsal and ventral.

I seriously did not believe I would have to explain this to other taxonomists its so simple

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE which is why I inderstand it

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Dear Ray,
since you apparently don't want to have anything to do with the tarantula community since the embarrassing "Birupes" thing, you of course can't know that Oly Lenskens is a Belgian tarantula owner and importer. You can rest assured: The spiders he gets from Mexico are NOT from Jorge Mendoza but from some other traders. The spiders are named by these dealers with names and distribution areas that are far from always correct. This is shown by our little report here, where we can prove that the male, which was named Davus sp. "Oaxaca", is definitely not from Oaxaca. Dany Candia-Ramirez & Francke unfortunately failed in her paper to also taxonomically and nomenclaturally discuss and name the 12 new Davus species. But this would not have changed the fantasy naming of the dealers, because they lack the knowledge to identify the spiders correctly. Maybe at some point a paper will follow where these new species will get correct names.

... In thier taxonomical arrogance the TRT automaticaly assume that my image of the prolateral view of DPT is wrong as it " does not correspond to the same angle as the other bulbs in prolateral position in the work of Candia-Ramírez & Francke" when in truth it is the Candia-Ramírez & Francke and thier Pic 2 which are WRONG.
If you would read our text correctly, you would notice that we have NOT claimed that YOUR pic of the pentaloris bulb in the prolateral view is wrong. We have only pointed out neutrally that unfortunately the view of the bulb in Candia-Ramirez & Francke in the prolateral position does not agree with your pic. However, we have in no way commented that YOU or Dany made a mistake there or were to blame for it. If you have a different opinion, we ask you to point out the place where we explicitly declared the position of the prolateral pentaloris bulb to be WRONG in YOUR pic. As anyone who can read will find no such passage in our text. On the contrary, we also agree with you. Anyone who can think just a little bit logically would have noticed that Dany Candia-Ramirez & Francke should have adjusted the prolateral position of their Davus specimens to your pic of pentaloris, which was published well BEFORE their work, for comparability. However, we have decided NOT to give an evaluation of the respective working methods in the photographic representation of the bulbs in the work of Candia-Ramirez & Francke. We have chosen not to take sides with anyone in this case. We have also chosen to point out ONLY the lack of comparability of the pics of the bulb in prolateral position in your two works. The aim of our identification work was not to play off your two publications against each other, but to identify a Davus male from Mexico with the help of the available literature and to test the available literature for its taxonomic usefulness. Why you call us "arrogant" for the reason that you obviously did not read our text correctly, did not understand it or interpreted it wrongly, we find disappointing, but it shows again a lack of collegiality and shows again that you should put your own house in order when it comes to the topic "taxonomic arrogance"!
We expect here an apology from you for your wrong and insulting statement in the public!:mad:

On the subject of bulb photography: Of course this is not "rocket science". We photographed the bulbs of our animal on purpose in the same position as Dany Candia-Ramirez & Francke did to ensure comparability and traceability of our results with their paper. Normally we do not photograph the bulbs "tilted" as in your publications, but in such a way that subtegulum (lying at the highest position) and tegulum form a more or less straight horizontal line (see pics). For correct alignment we use the raster in our program from the microscope camera. After the alignment we remove the raster again to take the photos. After we have photographed e.g. the prolateral position, we " mirror" the bulb by tilting it over to the retrolateral view without changing the horizontal position and aligning it again so that we are looking straight at the bulb and neither the tegulum nor the embolus are tilted upwards or downwards. In principle, this is how you explained it. So you certainly don't need to explain to us how to photograph bulbs. We have been working in tarantula taxonomy for quite a while longer than you and for the reason we don't need to be teached by you about taxonomic methods!

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" since you apparently don't want to have anything to do with the tarantula community since the embarrassing "Birupes" thing, "

SInce you have to start a rebuf like that it just shows i am correct...end of reply.
 

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Sorry Ray, but YOU were the one who unjustifiably and insultingly attacked us. But it is also a fact that since your "Birupes" thing, we are not aware of any other descriptions that have dealt with tarantulas that were provided by the community for identification, but your descriptions of new species seem to focus only on museum material. We, as the Theraphosid Reserach Team, however, work consciously and very often for the normal tarantula owner in that we try to identify his tarantulas, as you can see from our numerous contributions here in this forum. From this fact our presumption quoted by you resulted.
In the end, it remains to be said that you are not even aware that you have insulted us without justification and that you obviously lack the decency to admit this mistake and apologize for it.:meh:
 
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