cucumber convention

mackey004

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A. Monilicornis snacking. Temperature has been 80s where they are located. I know that factor has been a question. They are doing great though in a soil/mulch mixtute

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Also someone had asked before purchasing for a care sheet for millipedes. I know each species is different but I wanted to post this since I searched for one online and could not find. I gathered my experience along with info found online and sent him what I thought was best. Hopefully this helps someone else as well. I will not be offended and would love to hear suggestions or other info to add for others to hear. Thanks:

Temperature can be kept around room temp but higher 70's may be more ideal. The necessity of this is debated on forums as they are a very hardy species. Sudden death of large numbers has been reported at lower temps. Try to stay in range of 75-80

Humidity should be around 40-60% but humidity is not as important as not letting the soil dry out. Just keep the soil moist and this will provide the water to keep their skin moist and keep humidity in range.

Enclosure should be about 3x2 times the total length of the millipede. The bumblebee millipede grows to approximately 2 inches so an enclosure that is 6"x4" would be ideal. When caring for multiple millipedes, you do not have to multiply this number by the number of individuals. Simply provide enough room that they may travel without constantly maneuvering around each other. You could get away with smaller enclosures and house mutiple millipedes in your 6"x4" enclosure if you would like but larger enclosures provide more room to move and less variations from external factors.You will see that they are gregarious and often stay near each other anyway. Larger enclosures also allow you to provide more decaying vegetation and will not require feeding as often. Millipedes often burrow and a good habitat idea is putting a small glass or plastic container upside down in a slightly larger aquarium then fill the space between them with substrate. This restricts burrowing activity strictly to the outside viewable area.

Substrate can be just about anything that retains moisture. Coconut fiber, leaf debris, soil, tree bark all work well. Combining a few of these gives options and provides continuous nutrients. In Florida, they are most often found in the damp mulch around houses especially near shrubs that shed leaves often. Just remember that their substrate will likely be their primary source of food as well.

Care is minimal for these pets. The substrate should be changed every other month and kept free of ants and other insects.The more millipedes you house, the more often it should be changed. The millipedes will eat decaying vegetation which is why they strive in mulch and decaying leaves so feeding is only necessary to supplement their diet. Remember to always have a source of decaying vegetation available to them. Cucumbers are a favorite and feeding on a regular basis at night will lead to a routine schedule of active scavengers. Remove uneaten food within 24 hours to avoid rotting and fruit fly infestation. Breeding colonies are typically set up with 20-30 individuals but some breeders have luck with much lower numbers and some require more to establish a healthy colony. Housing multiple species in the same us it is typically not a problem unless they require much different habitats. Monitor them when first introducing and if all is well they will most likely get along. Mixed species are found in nature under same logs and fallen leaves.
 
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shebeen

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Rather than changing the substrate every other month, I think it's better to change the substrate when it becomes 50% frass. This will vary depending on your population and amount of substrate. Since Bumblebees produce eggs year round this will minimize the loss of eggs and immatures due to substrate changes. Also, some frass in the substrate is necessary for the health of immatures--they use it as a food source and it provides the gut bacteria necessary for digesting wood and leaf fibers--so I always leave some frass when changing substrate.
 

sr20det510

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Awesome picture : )

How long does it take for them to finish the cucumber?

I usually peel the cucumber I feed my millipedes because it seems to have a waxy coating. IDK if the wax/coating is common on the cucumbers, but I think it is sprayed on as a way to keep them fresh longer.
 

shebeen

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Mine won't eat the peel either. After a day or two there's nothing left but a paper thin ring.
 

MrCrackerpants

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IDK if the wax/coating is common on the cucumbers, but I think it is sprayed on as a way to keep them fresh longer.
Yes, most cucumbers have a food grade paraffin wax sprayed on them. Yes, super cool shot. Are they all WC or do you now have CB babies?
 

mackey004

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I agree to replace the substrate as it becomes frass and I like the wording. just wanted to give a general time line. I typically slice the cucumber to make it easier on them but they have no problem taking down the large pieces. The peel is always left over and some seeds as well.
 

Smokehound714

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I really wish the smell of millipedes didn't make me wretch and dry-heave.

They're so beautiful, but dear god they smell horrible.

Has anyone considered millipede composting? millipedes can sure eat alot!
 

mackey004

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smokehound, i am going to be honest with you, your millipedes must have hygiene issues lol. I have never had a problem with smelly millipedes. I keep them in open containers by the hundreds and yet they do not develop an overpowering odor. Maybe the substrate you are keeping them in is rotting and producing an odor. The millipedes will produce a toxin from their scent glands when threatened but this is not a smell they have on a regular basis
 

mackey004

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36"x18" with about 4" of substrate that needs replace/added often due to large amount of millipedes being housed
 

watertiger21

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Also someone had asked before purchasing for a care sheet for millipedes. I know each species is different but I wanted to post this since I searched for one online and could not find.
Thanks for the info! I'm a newbie that's still in the doing-research-and-saving-up-money stage, and I totally agree that there just aren't many good sources of info out there (thank goodness for this forum). You guys have mentioned cleaning and changing the substrate, but, as a newbie, I crave every detail I can get on caresheets, so can I ask if there's any particular process you follow during substrate changes to minimize the loss of eggs and immatures?
 

mackey004

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There is no fool proof method but most eggs will not be on the surface of the substrate and the surface substrate usually is the most contaminated. Therefore, simply remove just the surface substrate and replace. If there is any "gentle" way of mixing the substrate in, try to do so
 

shebeen

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+1 mackey004.

By the time the substrate needs replacing, the top inch or two is going to primarily consist of frass which will be loose and fluffy. I use a fork to gently search through this layer for immatures, working a 6"x6" area at a time. Any immatures I find are carefully transferred to a temporary holding container. The substrate in the searched area is then moved into a shallow container and gently spread out. Any immatures missed in the initial search will usually surface and begin crawling around by the time you finish with the next 6"x6" area in the main enclosure. These immatures are also transferred to the holding container and the old substrate placed into a plastic trash bag. Repeat until finished.

If you wish, you can check the trash bag of old substrate after a month for any immatures that may have hatched from eggs. Although some millipede species produce eggs year round, many only produce one clutch of eggs a year. By timing your substrate changes accordingly, you can reduce the chance of finding or disturbing eggs in the substrate. Before discarding the old substrate, bake it or freeze it to destroy any eggs or immatures it may still contain.
 

Smokehound714

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smokehound, i am going to be honest with you, your millipedes must have hygiene issues lol. I have never had a problem with smelly millipedes. I keep them in open containers by the hundreds and yet they do not develop an overpowering odor. Maybe the substrate you are keeping them in is rotting and producing an odor. The millipedes will produce a toxin from their scent glands when threatened but this is not a smell they have on a regular basis
That would explain it. I don't keep these, and never have. I've only seen them outside, the few i picked up made that nasty smell.
 
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